Old vs New during rounds

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

There is no correlation between HP factors and driving ability, nor is there any correlation between the veracity of any HP factor and any winning percentage (heads-up or otherwise).

Your mistaken about the heads ups. Been there.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Your mistaken about the heads ups. Been there.

Would you mind posting the time slip?

[RULER]

When old cars out number the new car by 10 to1 i guess that means nothing, the people that have some of these new cars couldn't make there old cars run with the rest of the old cars, so they purchase a new under rated car and now there a genius, car builder, engine pro, and there upset when they get 5hp added when they should be getting 25hp/50hp or more.

[Dick Butler]

Might be worth mentioning, the problem isnt with the person owning or driving the cars, the factoring is the issue. The long time it takes to adjust becomes very painful to previously Over factored or often factored combination owners. Not all racers can park one $50K car and instantly move into a $100,000 new car and become a winner in class.
An outsider has a better chance of entering and being big time since they do not have to sell a used up combination to have some money to buy the next car.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by RULER

When old cars out number the new car by 10 to1 i guess that means nothing, the people that have some of these new cars couldn't make there old cars run with the rest of the old cars, so they purchase a new under rated car and now there a genius, car builder, engine pro, and there upset when they get 5hp added when they should be getting 25hp/50hp or more.

Damn RULER you hit it right on the head!! Ding ding winner winner chicken dinner!!

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Would you mind posting the time slip?

Why would I still have a time slip? Do you keep those? I have no reason to.

Ruler, you are dead right about some of them. Not all.

[Joseph Teuton]

I have it figured out guys, once the new car guys can't get old cars to run fast, out numbered 10-1, so we buy a car and become instant genius's maybe be we should line up and ask NHRA for 100hp because we all know if the older cars had any advantage then they would respectfully do the same for all of us! Maybe we should all ask the big 3 to please stop making new cars for our sport. I mean my 26 month old should only be able to drive a car pre1970's. I can't wait till 2020 to see what toys we have to play with! Espically to see what the old guys consider "old" cars then!! This is getting even better!!

[Michael Beard]

Your mistaken about the heads ups. Been there.

No. Winning is a symptom, not causality. You may have been beat because a car was underfactored. The car was not underfactored because it beat you. I will get beat heads-up every time with my DragPak. That does not mean that it is not ridiculously underfactored. It means that I didn't spend money on mine.

HP Factors should not be determined based on winning percentages. HP Factors should be based on a working knowledge of engines, combinations, and real-world performance.

The HP factors on the 'factory race cars' are in no way shape or form defensible. Even production street cars are advertised at significantly higher HP. The fact that NHRA has done the same thing in the past does not make it right. Quite the opposite, such experience should have led to more proper decisions.

The idea that anyone with $100,000 invested in their car over a lifetime can or should scrap their car to purchase a new $100,000 car, or to scrap it and build only M/SA and slower cars is absolutely ridiculous. If someone has the wherewithal to do so and that's what they want to do: that's perfectly fine. No problem, have at it. If you want to take advantage of extremely favorable HP factors, no problem, have at it. I did. It's the only way I could afford getting into Super Stock, and I did it specifically *because* it was ridiculously underfactored.

[Ed Wright]

^^^^^ Yep, good post.

[Joseph Teuton]

Guys yall are taking this all wrong.

All I was trying to get accross is that the old cars have won more races than the newer cars. If I'm not mistaken we all go to the races to "win" and have a good time. It seems that you dont need a "new" or the "fastest" in the class car to win.

Michael you are 100% correct that "The idea that anyone with $100,000 invested in their car over a lifetime can or should scrap their car to purchase a new $100,000 car, or to scrap it and build only M/SA and slower cars is absolutely ridiculous." I never brought up a dollar amount because money should not be the reason a car or driver wins, I simply stated that with the time and r&r that yall have put into yall's cars most likley equals the amount that was put in our cars at the time of purchase. You even stated that " I did. It's the only way I could afford getting into Super Stock, and I did it specifically *because* it was ridiculously underfactored." So we can pick an choose the cars we want to drive on this same factor? Everyone in racing wants as much advactage as they can get. We all know there will be a time when the combonation we are running will be no more good. This is why they have a whole bunch of other classes to race to make sure you stay away from the cars you dont want to run untill you get the combo you are looking for. That hasnt changed since NHRA was developed.

Yall have yall's opinion, we have ours. Back to the Title of the post...
I have 2 people that has posted they were out ran by a new car in the last 5 years. Im not saying this doesnt happen..... all im saying is does it happen enough for yall to keep bringing this up over and over again?

Underfactored cars does not equal better cars. Aren't we all just looking for the BEST race car? I may have this all wrong, I've been told this before. Hope all have a great Friday! The parades start tonight here in Houma,La!!