Wagon Train

[Micha5tr]

new book is actually a Stocker

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Brett C

Repeat!

Face the fact that you're benefitting from NHRA's gaffes.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

Face the fact that you're benefitting from NHRA's gaffes.

Face the fact that you are stuck in the pass.....

Everyone has the right to drive whatever they want. Y'all have choosen the car you drive and have chose the cars we wish. Some have street cars that were turned into race cars by the owner because they thought they would have an advantage with that car. We have chose race cars that were built to be race cars sorry that we decided to drive these cars and not the OLD cars.

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Face the fact that you are stuck in the pass.....

Everyone has the right to drive whatever they want. Y'all have choosen the car you drive and have chose the cars we wish. Some have street cars that were turned into race cars by the owner because they thought they would have an advantage with that car. We have chose race cars that were built to be race cars sorry that we decided to drive these cars and not the OLD cars.

I would guess that if all of the sudden NHRA decided to take say 50 horsepower off of my combo and make it grossly under factored, you would cry foul. The bottom line is that I would just a like to see a more level playing field with fair, honest HP factors.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

I would guess that if all of the sudden NHRA decided to take say 50 horsepower off of my combo and make it grossly under factored, you would cry foul. The bottom line is that I would just a like to see a more level playing field with fair, honest HP factors.

Are you saying that your combination never had it's day in the sun?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Face the fact that you are stuck in the pass.....


Everyone has the right to drive whatever they want. Y'all have chosen the car you drive and have chose the cars we wish. Some have street cars that were turned into race cars by the owner because they thought they would have an advantage with that car. We have chose race cars that were built to be race cars sorry that we decided to drive these cars and not the OLD cars.

"New", "advanced", "built to be race cars" means absolutely nothing. Nobody cares.

The ONLY issue anybody has is the bogus low hp factors MOPAR, FORD & GM submitted and NHRA accepted. Nobody blames a guy from starting with one of those under factored new cars. Ditto the new CJs and COPOs. It is annoying to hear guys that want to tell you how their performance is just because they worked on it hard. Most will admit why they bought one, and why they are that fast now. Many had fast older cars, sharp racers. They are just faster now. Some just got fast when they bought a new one. Nothing wrong with that, just be honest about it.

You would have to be some special kind of stupid to start a new build on an old car the way things are now. An NHRA official & friend of mine told me Chrysler reps told them "We aren't coming back without an advantage." Ditto Ford & GM, I'm sure. As long as they sponsor races, I doubt the NHRA brass cares.

A gentleman I know, that works in a race engine shop that has built both fast LT1s like mine, and a couple of fast 360" SS DPs. He would likely lose his job if I mentioned his name, or the shop. He tells me their 360" DP SS engines never make less than 75 more hp that the LT1s, and they have seen more. They slow them down with restrictor plates, some just disconnect 2 barrels. I would have to spot one of those things 40lbs. At the time I didn't ask him about the Hemi, and after he reads this, he may not speak to me again anyway. :-(

A lot of people know what will happen if I hit the Powerball.. LOL

[Joseph Teuton]

[QUOTE=Ed Wright;421448]"New", "advanced", "built to be race cars" means absolutely nothing. Nobody cares.

I believe some people do care or we wouldn't have people like you that B$&:! about it all day long...

Mr. Ed has your car ever been the fastest in its class?

I'm not trying to argue or fight I'm just saying stop busting out balls because we drive the cars we do! They have older cars that are getting blown out the water by other old cars why not go bitch about them. With out a heads up race none of the new car old car matters. First to the finish line with out breaking out still wins the race.

[Andrew Hill]

An illustration of an "Advanced HP rating" and a guide on how to fix one:

"The horsepower rating for 09-10 Dodge Drag Pak entries with the 360 cubic inch engine and a factory rating of 275 currently rated at 328..."

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
4909 Dempsey Pendarvis 4171 Greg Hill
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.191 10.486 123.43 0.028 10.705 121.91
E/SA Index: 11.70 (+/-): -1.214 E/SA Index: 11.70 (+/-): -0.995
Prior rounds:
C2 (T Miller ) 0.188 10.728 120.00 (C Marshall ) 0.065 10.982 103.73
C1 (B Kastle ) 0.268 10.928 116.78 (D Walcott ) 0.074 11.485 91.29
Qualified: #34 10.928 NS #48 10.992 NS

"...has been increased by eleven horsepower, to 339 horsepower; for Stock Eliminator.

NHRA's 2013 Automatic Horsepower Factoring System outlines that any run of 1.20-second or more under the index will receive an immediate index decrease or horsepower increase. These changes are effective Sep. 24, 2013."

[Ed Wright]

I'm telling you people only care about the hp factors.
No, I'm not the fastest car in my class.

According to the newest Nitro Joes book, the fastest in my class is a Drag Pak STOCKER! Imagine how fast it would be built as an an SS car so it would 60'.

You don't seem to get it. The problem we all have is with NHRA accepting those bogus factors submitted, and the people that submitted them. No body cares that it came as a race car, or an independent chassis shop built it. Makes zero difference.
I was racing a long time before you were born, and I have never seen anything as under factored as some of these new cars.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

An illustration of an "Advanced HP rating" and a guide on how to fix one:

"The horsepower rating for 09-10 Dodge Drag Pak entries with the 360 cubic inch engine and a factory rating of 275 currently rated at 328..."

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
4909 Dempsey Pendarvis 4171 Greg Hill
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.191 10.486 123.43 0.028 10.705 121.91
E/SA Index: 11.70 (+/-): -1.214 E/SA Index: 11.70 (+/-): -0.995
Prior rounds:
C2 (T Miller ) 0.188 10.728 120.00 (C Marshall ) 0.065 10.982 103.73
C1 (B Kastle ) 0.268 10.928 116.78 (D Walcott ) 0.074 11.485 91.29
Qualified: #34 10.928 NS #48 10.992 NS

"...has been increased by eleven horsepower, to 339 horsepower; for Stock Eliminator.

NHRA's 2013 Automatic Horsepower Factoring System outlines that any run of 1.20-second or more under the index will receive an immediate index decrease or horsepower increase. These changes are effective Sep. 24, 2013."

Absolutely the right way to fix things!