Wagon Train - Page 2

Brett C · 02-20-2014, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Fact:
noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth
2. something known to exist or to have happened
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true

Yes it is a fact that you have expressed your opinion.

Bruce Noland · 02-20-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett C

Yes it is a fact that the information you posted is your opinion.

Yes, and the earth is flat and only 5,000 years old. Having a little fun are ye? In order for any of these three facts to be merely opinions you must be able to disprove them. Otherwise they remain facts and your opinion about opinions is debunked.

Brett C · 02-21-2014, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Yes, and the earth is flat and only 5,000 years old. Having a little fun are ye? In order for any of these three facts to be merely opinions you must be able to disprove them. Otherwise they remain facts and your opinion about opinions is debunked.

In fact, opinions are opinions until proven to be fact. Debunked.

Greg Hill · 02-20-2014, 10:48 PM

There is one undeniable fact. Every one of the hp ratings on these new cars was bogus starting out. The only other hp ratings that were that bogus to start with were the Lt1's and the LS1's in stock. Anybody that has half a brain can look at the specs on these motors and see how bogus they are compared to the competition. I'll give you one example. Charlie I'm not picking on you, but the 4.6 l Mustang GT was rated at 300 hp SAE net. The Cobra Jet version was rated at 235 with more of everything than the street car.

When the manufacturers went from gross hp ratings in 1971 to net hp ratings in1972 NHRA factored all those motors 1972 and up before they hit the race track. Al Provoast told me his wagon went from 185 to 285 before he ever went down the track. The motor I run in my car is a 71 350 Z28 motor that was rated at 330 from the factory and is now rated at 315. The same exact motor in 1972 was factory rated at 255. In those days NHRA did their job. The first time they didn't was the 94 Chevy LT1 which was rated at 275 net and allowed to run at that hp rating, and is now at 346.

My point in this rant is that the factory race cars were rated below their equivalent street car ratings that were SAE net to start with and they had more compression, more cam, bigger throttle bodies and better manifolds. All of you guys that complained about all of us crying about the hp ratings, well guess what? We were right on the money.

Ed Carpenter · 02-20-2014, 11:03 PM

Joseph I did some research on my combo 283/220hp Chevy II stick shift. Back in 89 it was rated at 230 and later that year it went to 235. At some point it went back to 230. In 2007 11hp was added due to a run Robin Brown made in Baytown. Last year it was reduced to 237. Not sure what it started at but after 40+ years of being run it is 17 over the factory rating. So that's a little info on my combo.

FWIW I feel Ed can say what he wants because he IS a current racer and he WORKS hard on his car. He is not a key board jockey. I think his car is awesome and if I remember right it's for sale. If you want to go fast turn key style go to Baytown and write him a check. See you there Ed.

Brett C · 02-19-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett C

Isn't it amazing how some people "think" that their opinion somehow should be viewed as "fact"!?

Repeat!

Jeff Teuton · 02-19-2014, 09:50 PM

Somehow I never thought I could move up from used car salesman to scammer. I really want to be a Democrat Politician, just need a little help. "Foisted"; I had to break out the trusted Websters to see what that was. I thought it might be near "Hoisted" which I know what it is to Hoist like in Hoisting a Beverage. Now according to Webster, it means to 'pass off as genuine'. That would probably describe my desire to be a Democrat Politician, but I'm just not sure. Just when you think you know all the trick terms, Foisted comes along.

Bruce Noland · 02-19-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Somehow I never thought I could move up from used car salesman to scammer. I really want to be a Democrat Politician, just need a little help. "Foisted"; I had to break out the trusted Websters to see what that was. I thought it might be near "Hoisted" which I know what it is to Hoist like in Hoisting a Beverage. Now according to Webster, it means to 'pass off as genuine'. That would probably describe my desire to be a Democrat Politician, but I'm just not sure. Just when you think you know all the trick terms, Foisted comes along.

Foisted has been around long before you and me and has several meanings. One of them is: to impose an unwelcome or unnecessary person or thing on. Gibberish doesn't erase the facts. It never has.

Jim Kaekel · 02-20-2014, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett C

Repeat!

Face the fact that you're benefitting from NHRA's gaffes.

Joseph Teuton · 02-20-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

Face the fact that you're benefitting from NHRA's gaffes.

Face the fact that you are stuck in the pass.....

Everyone has the right to drive whatever they want. Y'all have choosen the car you drive and have chose the cars we wish. Some have street cars that were turned into race cars by the owner because they thought they would have an advantage with that car. We have chose race cars that were built to be race cars sorry that we decided to drive these cars and not the OLD cars.

02-20-2014, 10:48 PM	#4
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Wagon Train There is one undeniable fact. Every one of the hp ratings on these new cars was bogus starting out. The only other hp ratings that were that bogus to start with were the Lt1's and the LS1's in stock. Anybody that has half a brain can look at the specs on these motors and see how bogus they are compared to the competition. I'll give you one example. Charlie I'm not picking on you, but the 4.6 l Mustang GT was rated at 300 hp SAE net. The Cobra Jet version was rated at 235 with more of everything than the street car. When the manufacturers went from gross hp ratings in 1971 to net hp ratings in1972 NHRA factored all those motors 1972 and up before they hit the race track. Al Provoast told me his wagon went from 185 to 285 before he ever went down the track. The motor I run in my car is a 71 350 Z28 motor that was rated at 330 from the factory and is now rated at 315. The same exact motor in 1972 was factory rated at 255. In those days NHRA did their job. The first time they didn't was the 94 Chevy LT1 which was rated at 275 net and allowed to run at that hp rating, and is now at 346. My point in this rant is that the factory race cars were rated below their equivalent street car ratings that were SAE net to start with and they had more compression, more cam, bigger throttle bodies and better manifolds. All of you guys that complained about all of us crying about the hp ratings, well guess what? We were right on the money. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

02-20-2014, 11:03 PM	#5
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,710 Likes: 187 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Wagon Train Joseph I did some research on my combo 283/220hp Chevy II stick shift. Back in 89 it was rated at 230 and later that year it went to 235. At some point it went back to 230. In 2007 11hp was added due to a run Robin Brown made in Baytown. Last year it was reduced to 237. Not sure what it started at but after 40+ years of being run it is 17 over the factory rating. So that's a little info on my combo. FWIW I feel Ed can say what he wants because he IS a current racer and he WORKS hard on his car. He is not a key board jockey. I think his car is awesome and if I remember right it's for sale. If you want to go fast turn key style go to Baytown and write him a check. See you there Ed. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

02-19-2014, 09:50 PM	#7
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Wagon Train Somehow I never thought I could move up from used car salesman to scammer. I really want to be a Democrat Politician, just need a little help. "Foisted"; I had to break out the trusted Websters to see what that was. I thought it might be near "Hoisted" which I know what it is to Hoist like in Hoisting a Beverage. Now according to Webster, it means to 'pass off as genuine'. That would probably describe my desire to be a Democrat Politician, but I'm just not sure. Just when you think you know all the trick terms, Foisted comes along. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK Last edited by Jeff Teuton; 02-19-2014 at 09:57 PM.