G/SA Current Record

treekiller · 12-06-2013, 11:27 AM

A positive side effect of a change like that would be car counts going up because there are a lot of small time guys that don't go to Nast because of fast cars tear downs and the other assorted bs that nhra throws at the sportsman racer

Ed Wright · 12-06-2013, 11:32 AM

Why not just give everybody a trophy too?

treekiller · 12-06-2013, 11:46 AM

What does nhra offer someone for setting a record? you get a horse power hit and bragging rights?I'll take the trophy thanks

Ed Wright · 12-06-2013, 12:02 PM

Just because somebody spanks you in a heads up doesn't mean they have a $100.000.00 car. Could be they know more and work harder. Sounds like et brackets are more your speed.

treekiller · 12-06-2013, 12:25 PM

I only have a bracket car ed. That said the number of heads up races in eliminations that are 11.44 to 11.46 are uncommon and that's not a theory read the internet. They are usually 10.55 to a 10.79 and the 10.79 guy usually cuts a .005 and the other guy is .123 . Everything besides the pros and comp is a bracket race anyway so why should with an under factored car get a gift rd? What kind of car you got ed?

Ed Wright · 12-06-2013, 12:36 PM

I have an old '96 Pontiac Trans Am. SS/JA. It ain 't fancy. My heads ups have all been a couple hundredths. Last two have had MOV of 6" and 12".

treekiller · 12-06-2013, 12:39 PM

Have you run one of these guys I am referring to or have they not invaded j yet? How do you even know what those guys can run w so many 1000 ft qualifying runs?

novassdude · 12-06-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by treekiller

A positive side effect of a change like that would be car counts going up because there are a lot of small time guys that don't go to Nast because of fast cars tear downs and the other assorted bs that nhra throws at the sportsman racer

The things you call bs is exactly what sets class racing apart from Bracket racing. Take away the heads up and teardown and you might just as well call it bracket 1. It is not for everyone.
My car may not get out much but take away heads up and it would never come back out as a class car. And this from a guy that runs a well populated class with a car that will get smoked in the majority of heads up. So it would be to my advantage to get rid of them. I have nothing against bracket racing did a lot of it and probably will again some day.

You have said you don't have a class car so why are you here suggesting we change the rules in a class you don't run.

I have yet to see a class racer in the bracket form telling them they need to change the rules.

Evan Smith · 12-06-2013, 02:30 PM

Why do people feel NHRA is "out to get them" or are trying to push racers out just because it allows new cars to compete? Do you have a TV with rabbit ears, or a carb on your street car (okay, don't answer that), or any old technology for daily life? Do you have a smart phone? I'll tell you why, because the rules don't suit them, that's why and people feel the NHRA should exist for their own personal purpose.

It's called evolution people. There isn't one other class in NHRA where you can be competitive with old equipment. Okay, so one guy wins here and there with no throttle stop in Super Street, but you don't see cars from the '80s and '90s winning in the .90 classes. Why should it be a "right" to be competitive with an old race car when there is new, better technology available? Should NHRA ignore the new cars? Well then you'd have a nostalgia series, at least until everyone got old and quit racing, then you'd have nothing.

Racers get out of the sport for many reasons and I'm sure some decided they didn't want to compete against new cars, but to make a blanket statement that a mass of racers were pushed out is just not factual. And, for all who've quit, there are many new racers.

Please keep in mind that I love muscle cars from the 60s and 70s and I would love to see them continue on. I also own a 20-year old Stocker and I know it's day in the sun has passed. It's competitive, but who cares about that? It's my choice to update or be content racing a car that is outdated. Everyone else has the same choice.

Jim Kaekel · 12-06-2013, 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=Evan Smith;411445]Why should it be a "right" to be competitive with an old race car when there is new, better technology available?

Evan: First of all, not everyone can afford a $100,000+ race car. Stock Eliminator wasn't intended to be "he with the most money wins"...it's not NMCA heads-up racing. The "better technology" argument doesn't fly.

Why has the NHRA accepted the bogus HP factors that the new cars came with from the get-go? How come the AHFS has worked at a "snail's pace" when it comes to these new cars? The answer to all of these questions is because the NHRA has simply let them. They are catering to big money.

12-06-2013, 11:27 AM	#1
treekiller Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record A positive side effect of a change like that would be car counts going up because there are a lot of small time guys that don't go to Nast because of fast cars tear downs and the other assorted bs that nhra throws at the sportsman racer

12-06-2013, 11:32 AM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record Why not just give everybody a trophy too? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-06-2013, 11:46 AM	#3
treekiller Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record What does nhra offer someone for setting a record? you get a horse power hit and bragging rights?I'll take the trophy thanks

12-06-2013, 12:02 PM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record Just because somebody spanks you in a heads up doesn't mean they have a $100.000.00 car. Could be they know more and work harder. Sounds like et brackets are more your speed. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-06-2013, 12:25 PM	#5
treekiller Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record I only have a bracket car ed. That said the number of heads up races in eliminations that are 11.44 to 11.46 are uncommon and that's not a theory read the internet. They are usually 10.55 to a 10.79 and the 10.79 guy usually cuts a .005 and the other guy is .123 . Everything besides the pros and comp is a bracket race anyway so why should with an under factored car get a gift rd? What kind of car you got ed?

12-06-2013, 12:36 PM	#6
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record I have an old '96 Pontiac Trans Am. SS/JA. It ain 't fancy. My heads ups have all been a couple hundredths. Last two have had MOV of 6" and 12". __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 12-06-2013 at 12:39 PM.

12-06-2013, 12:39 PM	#7
treekiller Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record Have you run one of these guys I am referring to or have they not invaded j yet? How do you even know what those guys can run w so many 1000 ft qualifying runs?

12-06-2013, 02:30 PM	#9
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record Why do people feel NHRA is "out to get them" or are trying to push racers out just because it allows new cars to compete? Do you have a TV with rabbit ears, or a carb on your street car (okay, don't answer that), or any old technology for daily life? Do you have a smart phone? I'll tell you why, because the rules don't suit them, that's why and people feel the NHRA should exist for their own personal purpose. It's called evolution people. There isn't one other class in NHRA where you can be competitive with old equipment. Okay, so one guy wins here and there with no throttle stop in Super Street, but you don't see cars from the '80s and '90s winning in the .90 classes. Why should it be a "right" to be competitive with an old race car when there is new, better technology available? Should NHRA ignore the new cars? Well then you'd have a nostalgia series, at least until everyone got old and quit racing, then you'd have nothing. Racers get out of the sport for many reasons and I'm sure some decided they didn't want to compete against new cars, but to make a blanket statement that a mass of racers were pushed out is just not factual. And, for all who've quit, there are many new racers. Please keep in mind that I love muscle cars from the 60s and 70s and I would love to see them continue on. I also own a 20-year old Stocker and I know it's day in the sun has passed. It's competitive, but who cares about that? It's my choice to update or be content racing a car that is outdated. Everyone else has the same choice. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

12-06-2013, 05:02 PM	#10
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,229 Likes: 133 Liked 535 Times in 110 Posts	Re: G/SA Current Record [QUOTE=Evan Smith;411445]Why should it be a "right" to be competitive with an old race car when there is new, better technology available? Evan: First of all, not everyone can afford a $100,000+ race car. Stock Eliminator wasn't intended to be "he with the most money wins"...it's not NMCA heads-up racing. The "better technology" argument doesn't fly. Why has the NHRA accepted the bogus HP factors that the new cars came with from the get-go? How come the AHFS has worked at a "snail's pace" when it comes to these new cars? The answer to all of these questions is because the NHRA has simply let them. They are catering to big money. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK