I just noticed the entries for the national event

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Racer1320 by the way original name, I will say this about Beard, I would like to see a dial in grudge race between you to, 10,000 to the winner best of 7, make a run every 15 minutes with 2 time shots, the track can be anywhere but since your so good on the bottom 1320 I'm thinking Piedmont at the 20K footbrake race.

Put up or shut up, we don't care you go 128 60 foot at 3800 lbs and Beard had a bad weekend in PA. Here is what I do know, I paid Beard's entry once in a 10K race, at Bristol, and he ran hisself in the finals.

Herb...

1. as piedmont's track manager, your post doesn't say much about your professionalism and calls into question what should be your unbiased decision making should an issue arise between pairings, the ladder, bye runs, etc.

2. no where in my post did I state I am "so good on the bottom"

3. I'm a bracket racer, not a grudge racer. We don't race best of anything, we race each round to eliminate except in North Carolina where there is no tech inspection and where you can buyback until you run out of $ and if you're "lucky" enough to hold the "mulligan" that's drawn, they'll put you back in the race late in the rounds.

4. my comment about beard's bad day was to show he's human too as beard never misses and opportunity to tell everyone how good he is even in this thread about alleged NHRA inspections for cheating in super stock, stating his every round reaction times of his good weekend.

5. I have supported beard's thanksgiving race in the past as well yours and had every intention of supporting it again this year with a double entry, being that it's back at piedmont which is a far better facility than that dump known as cpd, but based on your comments above, and questionable unbiased decision making skills as the manager, I'll pass and I'll be sure to let my friends know who were on the fence why I am not going.

6. when/if beard shows up again at numidia, I'll make every effort to line up with him and based on his comments, his car will help me to facilitate his out of here in 10 minutes routine. Better yet, my kid could run him.

7. that all said, why make this about beard when you have made it about you and me so here's what I'm thinking...no time shots, no buybacks, no mulligans, no best of 7! You line up against me, put a number the window, 1 time,1 round in a legal/no electronics, footbrake launched door car and we bracket race. Both cars are inspected immediately after turning off the track by the track manager and you/I. Race and inspection will be video'd. The loser donates $5,000 within 48 hours to the winner's legit, incorporated, nationally known charity. The track chosen will be halfway between us. Hell you even get a tax deduction. So put up or shut up!

8. BTW, I'm with you, I don't care about the car that you witnessed run 1.28 60 foot in 2007 that I sold 5 years ago, that a another poster felt compelled to talk about in this thread. My current ride is far more impressive and 60 foots as quick as 1.17!

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Herb...

1. as piedmont's track manager, your post doesn't say much about your professionalism and calls into question what should be your unbiased decision making should an issue arise between pairings, the ladder, bye runs, etc.

Herb is not Piedmont's track manager, and has not been for years.

3. I'm a bracket racer, not a grudge racer. We don't race best of anything, we race each round to eliminate except in North Carolina where there is no tech inspection and where you can buyback until you run out of $ and if you're "lucky" enough to hold the "mulligan" that's drawn, they'll put you back in the race late in the rounds.

Loose Rocker Promotions has never had a Mulligan at any of our events, and we utilize only one round of buybacks at our bracket races, run re-entry style. As far as tech, while we've never done a complete tear down of a car, at our $20K Footbrake events, I have personally checked out nearly every car in competition to some extent, plus we have knowledgeable starters who watch for anything out of the ordinary.

4. my comment about beard's bad day was to show he's human too as beard never misses and opportunity to tell everyone how good he is even in this thread about alleged NHRA inspections for cheating in super stock, stating his every round reaction times of his good weekend.

As explained previously, citing actual data of a car/driver that is demonstrably not cheating is the easiest way to refute a claim that people are cheating because someone doesn't believe it's statistically possible. Good lord...! SORRY I even posted anything.

5. I have supported beard's thanksgiving race in the past as well yours and had every intention of supporting it again this year with a double entry, being that it's back at piedmont which is a far better facility than that dump known as cpd, but based on your comments above, and questionable unbiased decision making skills as the manager, I'll pass and I'll be sure to let my friends know who were on the fence why I am not going.

See (1.) above. Additionally, decisions made at Loose Rocker events are made solely by either myself or Anthony Walton, and done so as fairly as possible, made based on the circumstances, and not the driver(s) involved. Why would you bad-mouth our event based on someone who has no association with neither the event nor the facility?

7. that all said, why make this about beard

Good idea. We've never had an issue with each other that I'm aware of, and there's no need to start one now.

[HP HUNTER]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Herb...

1. as piedmont's track manager, your post doesn't say much about your professionalism and calls into question what should be your unbiased decision making should an issue arise between pairings, the ladder, bye runs, etc.

2. no where in my post did I state I am "so good on the bottom"

3. I'm a bracket racer, not a grudge racer. We don't race best of anything, we race each round to eliminate except in North Carolina where there is no tech inspection and where you can buyback until you run out of $ and if you're "lucky" enough to hold the "mulligan" that's drawn, they'll put you back in the race late in the rounds.

4. my comment about beard's bad day was to show he's human too as beard never misses and opportunity to tell everyone how good he is even in this thread about alleged NHRA inspections for cheating in super stock, stating his every round reaction times of his good weekend.

5. I have supported beard's thanksgiving race in the past as well yours and had every intention of supporting it again this year with a double entry, being that it's back at piedmont which is a far better facility than that dump known as cpd, but based on your comments above, and questionable unbiased decision making skills as the manager, I'll pass and I'll be sure to let my friends know who were on the fence why I am not going.

6. when/if beard shows up again at numidia, I'll make every effort to line up with him and based on his comments, his car will help me to facilitate his out of here in 10 minutes routine. Better yet, my kid could run him.

7. that all said, why make this about beard when you have made it about you and me so here's what I'm thinking...no time shots, no buybacks, no mulligans, no best of 7! You line up against me, put a number the window, 1 time,1 round in a legal/no electronics, footbrake launched door car and we bracket race. Both cars are inspected immediately after turning off the track by the track manager and you/I. Race and inspection will be video'd. The loser donates $5,000 within 48 hours to the winner's legit, incorporated, nationally known charity. The track chosen will be halfway between us. Hell you even get a tax deduction. So put up or shut up!

8. BTW, I'm with you, I don't care about the car that you witnessed run 1.28 60 foot in 2007 that I sold 5 years ago, that a another poster felt compelled to talk about in this thread. My current ride is far more impressive and 60 foots as quick as 1.17!

Ed, heres the bottom line, the red chevelle you formerly owned ran a best of high 10 ohs in negative air with a oval port production engine with 1.3 60 foots and high 4.0s in the 330, hardly impressive compared to what several chevelles the same as yours have run today. Fast forward to the 522 inch aftermarket engine in the same red chevelle, 9.89 @ 134, high 1.3 60 foots in negative air, again hardly impressive in comparisome to what several of us have run with production oval port heads. Several times myself and others have asked you to post your claimed 1.2 60 timeslip, you always refuse, you said you ran that number next to a racer out of Jenkins shop, this racer out of Jenkins shop did not ever remember that 1.2 60 foot you claim. You have stated on this forum you have the time slip, since this is such a topic of discussion on this forum why don't you just post it and put this to rest, seems logical to me. As far your 522 inch SS/GT goes its going to be hard for you to garner respect on here seeing this car was run with 522 inches of aftermarket big block, personally I would like see what would happen if Grossi and his peanut port , flattop, Q-Jet GT car got ahold of you and your aftermarket 522 @ Atco, Im pretty sure I know what would happen. BTW what did you replace the 522 you blew up all over the track with? One more thing Ed, how many of you on here believe a Mallory 140 fuel pump with a return would supply sufficent fuel on a 3625 pound nine second chevelle?

[7423]

Originally Posted by HP HUNTER

Ed, heres the bottom line, the red chevelle you formerly owned ran a best of high 10 ohs in negative air with a oval port production engine with 1.3 60 foots and high 4.0s in the 330, hardly impressive compared to what several chevelles the same as yours have run today. Fast forward to the 522 inch aftermarket engine in the same red chevelle, 9.89 @ 134, high 1.3 60 foots in negative air, again hardly impressive in comparisome to what several of us have run with production oval port heads. Several times myself and others have asked you to post your claimed 1.2 60 timeslip, you always refuse, you said you ran that number next to a racer out of Jenkins shop, this racer out of Jenkins shop did not ever remember that 1.2 60 foot you claim. You have stated on this forum you have the time slip, since this is such a topic of discussion on this forum why don't you just post it and put this to rest, seems logical to me. As far your 522 inch SS/GT goes its going to be hard for you to garner respect on here seeing this car was run with 522 inches of aftermarket big block, personally I would like see what would happen if Grossi and his peanut port , flattop, Q-Jet GT car got ahold of you and your aftermarket 522 @ Atco, Im pretty sure I know what would happen. BTW what did you replace the 522 you blew up all over the track with? One more thing Ed, how many of you on here believe a Mallory 140 fuel pump with a return would supply sufficent fuel on a 3625 pound nine second chevelle?

Nine pages back, Don Kennedy started a post about cheating in S & S/S. The validity of that topic still remains to be seen.

Please tell me what 60ft times and a red Chevelle have to do with this thread???
If you would like to compare **** sizes with another racer, please start your own thread and lets get back to the real topic of where Fletcher will be dining on someone elses dime.

[Bridgewater7185]

Dan...may I join your dinner party...I will order the buss for transportation to the appropriate places.

[Tom Nolan]

Sorry Dan but I would never accuse anyone that they may be doing something wrong, I believe that's the tech officials job. I just feel that there needs to be regular spot checks for driver aids. Just like fuel, weight, legal combo, and safety. I have not heard of any of the Stock or Superstock community having their cars spot checked! All I said is I would welcome driver aid checks. It seems that no matter what anyone has to say here someone is ready to twist your words and jump down your throat just because you have an opinion! Lighten up, no one has anything to worry about unless they really do have something to worry about?

[Rusty2211]

I had my car checked over a few years ago after cutting a .006 light in the 4th round at a National Event. I'm not a guy who has very many .00 lights, so I'm pretty sure I triggered something with NHRA's data. After fuel check, a younger Tech guy I had never seen before said "Hi, pull your car over here and I'm going to check some stuff". He also asked me to stand over away from the car. I said great. Anyway, he spent about 15 minutes under the car and under the dash. He said everything was good. I wish NHRA would do more of this.
Rusty

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by Tom Nolan

Sorry Dan but I would never accuse anyone that they may be doing something wrong, I believe that's the tech officials job. I just feel that there needs to be regular spot checks for driver aids. Just like fuel, weight, legal combo, and safety. I have not heard of any of the Stock or Superstock community having their cars spot checked! All I said is I would welcome driver aid checks. It seems that no matter what anyone has to say here someone is ready to twist your words and jump down your throat just because you have an opinion! Lighten up, no one has anything to worry about unless they really do have something to worry about?

Well I know some cheaters !!
A couple years ago I had this guy hounding me to trade my 69 Camaro stocker for a crate motor car. One day when He called I said ok but I wanted the car the next day.
Well sure enough, He was at my shop with the car the next morning.
Deal was trade plus He would give me $3000.00
Well when he was at my shop he only had $1,000 but promised he would send me the balance when He got home. I'm still waiting for a $1000. of it.
Looking at the car when He left I realized the wiring was a mess so I had a friend take it to his shop to rewire the car,,,, BUSTED !!! We found a delay box hidden in the car,, We took pictures of the whole set up and sent them to NHRA and IHRA.
To make matters worse the motor had a SS cam in it...
I hate a Cheater !!!
No,,, it's not the white car I have now,

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

Well I know some cheaters !!
A couple years ago I had this guy hounding me to trade my 69 Camaro stocker for a crate motor car. One day when He called I said ok but I wanted the car the next day.
Well sure enough, He was at my shop with the car the next morning.
Deal was trade plus He would give me $3000.00
Well when he was at my shop he only had $1,000 but promised he would send me the balance when He got home. I'm still waiting for a $1000. of it.
Looking at the car when He left I realized the wiring was a mess so I had a friend take it to his shop to rewire the car,,,, BUSTED !!! We found a delay box hidden in the car,, We took pictures of the whole set up and sent them to NHRA and IHRA.
To make matters worse the motor had a SS cam in it...
I hate a Cheater !!!
No,,, it's not the white car I have now,

Did the guy ever win any races with the car?

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Did the guy ever win any races with the car?

I believe so, would that matter ?