Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sonoma?

Tommy Gaynor · 07-23-2013, 07:44 PM

So Toby has a pretty close to accurate description of what happened. When I went up for first round it was 55 degrees and 90% humidity, a cool overcast morning, normal for Sonoma. I drove to the lanes and got out to talk to Jim. When I got out I left my fan and water pump on, for about 10-12 minutes. When we pulled out of the lanes to the ready line my car was about 85 degrees. The way I run my car it has to be 115 degrees for the fuel injection system to go into closed loop. If it runs in open loop below 115 degrees it shoots numbers all over the place. I did my burn out with the water pump off, didn't move much so I started stalling it up against the convertor with the fan and water pump off. It slowly started warming, as per the rules I kept making forward motion as it warmed up. The starter waived me in one time and I kept bumping forward. By the time I got in I had rattled myself to the point I was .060 on the tree. I felt awful about it after the race, I went by Jim's RV to apologize and he was not there. I approached Jim after the race in the Victory Circle area and he rode off on his scooter. I was texting back and forth with another racer yesterday morning and got Jim's cell number. I left Jim about a 2-3 min voice mail apologizing for not being prepared to race when I pulled in the water, I'm assuming that's where Toby got all of his info. As of now I have not heard from Jim and would like the opportunity to speak with him face to face. If any one else wants to ask any questions give me a call.

Tommy
360.798.8998

cudadoug · 07-23-2013, 08:48 PM

The blame really belongs to the starter. Gaynor "wasn't ready" so he plays games on the starting line and the race "official" let's him get away with it. I DID see the Corvette moving forward...a couple of bumps of the brake pedal maybe while he was on the converter building heat. A pretty chicken s**t thing to do.

I'd bet you all that if Jim was told of this temp issue, he would have delayed or slowed down his routine to give the Corvette ample time...my impression of the guy anyway.

But then again, some racers will do whatever they can get away with...

Didn't Greg Anderson get red lighted at Englishtown last year (or the year before) for the same deal...failing to pre stage in a timely manner???

Ed Wright · 07-23-2013, 09:46 PM

Tommy, if it "shoots numbers all over the place" in open loop you need to fix your tuning. No way that should make it faster or slower. If it's making more than a couple percent corrections your base tuning is wrong.

twoputt9 · 07-23-2013, 09:47 PM

was in Norwalk and Zasokoski had me prestaged 20 seconds and 6 before he staged, good sportsmanship

Andrew Hill · 07-23-2013, 10:24 PM

I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me.

Also, in Chicago, I saw one competitor screw around on a heads up run. He did his burn out, stopped, jumped around in his seat for a while acting like he was doing things, just wasting time to get his opponents engine hot. He proceeded to get treed and outrun by over a tenth. LOL

Brad Zaskowski · 07-24-2013, 12:09 AM

Hmmmm that's weird I don't remember my Dad, cousin Kevin or I running anybody named twoputt9 at Norwalk. Must have been a different Zasokoski.

DavidDupuy · 07-24-2013, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

Hmmmm that's weird I don't remember my Dad, cousin Kevin or I running anybody named twoputt9 at Norwalk. Must have been a different Zasokoski.

Lol...nice Brad

Mickey Whaley · 07-24-2013, 09:17 AM

so open loop and closed loop are 2 different things, what do they do? I thought it had to be in a certain loop per NHRA, just asking because I don't know?

Joe Martens · 07-24-2013, 12:27 AM

[QUOTE=Andrew Hill;391950]I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me.

Hmmm! I remember that too, Andrew!!!! And, I couldn't agree more!!!!

Jim Kaekel · 07-24-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Zaskowski

Brad is correct, we didn't race anyone named twoputt9....but, since twoputt9 is actually Michael Wesokowski from division 7, you would be referring to my Uncle Bill that put you on the trailer round 2. My uncle must have had his closed loop system off, and didn't have his 327 warmed up from the 1 mile trip to the lanes from our pit spot.

Can't all you darn Polocks just get along?

07-23-2013, 07:44 PM	#1
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono So Toby has a pretty close to accurate description of what happened. When I went up for first round it was 55 degrees and 90% humidity, a cool overcast morning, normal for Sonoma. I drove to the lanes and got out to talk to Jim. When I got out I left my fan and water pump on, for about 10-12 minutes. When we pulled out of the lanes to the ready line my car was about 85 degrees. The way I run my car it has to be 115 degrees for the fuel injection system to go into closed loop. If it runs in open loop below 115 degrees it shoots numbers all over the place. I did my burn out with the water pump off, didn't move much so I started stalling it up against the convertor with the fan and water pump off. It slowly started warming, as per the rules I kept making forward motion as it warmed up. The starter waived me in one time and I kept bumping forward. By the time I got in I had rattled myself to the point I was .060 on the tree. I felt awful about it after the race, I went by Jim's RV to apologize and he was not there. I approached Jim after the race in the Victory Circle area and he rode off on his scooter. I was texting back and forth with another racer yesterday morning and got Jim's cell number. I left Jim about a 2-3 min voice mail apologizing for not being prepared to race when I pulled in the water, I'm assuming that's where Toby got all of his info. As of now I have not heard from Jim and would like the opportunity to speak with him face to face. If any one else wants to ask any questions give me a call. Tommy 360.798.8998 __________________ "Go With Confidence"

07-23-2013, 08:48 PM	#2
cudadoug Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono The blame really belongs to the starter. Gaynor "wasn't ready" so he plays games on the starting line and the race "official" let's him get away with it. I DID see the Corvette moving forward...a couple of bumps of the brake pedal maybe while he was on the converter building heat. A pretty chicken s**t thing to do. I'd bet you all that if Jim was told of this temp issue, he would have delayed or slowed down his routine to give the Corvette ample time...my impression of the guy anyway. But then again, some racers will do whatever they can get away with... Didn't Greg Anderson get red lighted at Englishtown last year (or the year before) for the same deal...failing to pre stage in a timely manner???

07-23-2013, 09:46 PM	#3
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono Tommy, if it "shoots numbers all over the place" in open loop you need to fix your tuning. No way that should make it faster or slower. If it's making more than a couple percent corrections your base tuning is wrong. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

07-23-2013, 09:47 PM	#4
twoputt9 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 9 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono was in Norwalk and Zasokoski had me prestaged 20 seconds and 6 before he staged, good sportsmanship

07-23-2013, 10:24 PM	#5
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 700 Likes: 446 Liked 170 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me. Also, in Chicago, I saw one competitor screw around on a heads up run. He did his burn out, stopped, jumped around in his seat for a while acting like he was doing things, just wasting time to get his opponents engine hot. He proceeded to get treed and outrun by over a tenth. LOL __________________ 3207 D/SA, C/ED Last edited by Andrew Hill; 07-23-2013 at 10:32 PM.

07-24-2013, 12:09 AM	#6
Brad Zaskowski Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 203 Likes: 130 Liked 130 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono Hmmmm that's weird I don't remember my Dad, cousin Kevin or I running anybody named twoputt9 at Norwalk. Must have been a different Zasokoski. __________________ Brad Zaskowski 3697 STK, SS

07-24-2013, 09:17 AM	#8
Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono so open loop and closed loop are 2 different things, what do they do? I thought it had to be in a certain loop per NHRA, just asking because I don't know?

07-24-2013, 12:27 AM	#9
Joe Martens Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Olmsted, Ohio Posts: 787 Likes: 626 Liked 196 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sono [QUOTE=Andrew Hill;391950]I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me. Hmmm! I remember that too, Andrew!!!! And, I couldn't agree more!!!! __________________ Joe Martens AA/Stock 3969