Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Ken Miele]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

Nathan,

The above statement is insulting to me and not helpful in anyway. Yes we have issues with not only NHRA but each other, but it would be like me going into the Top Sportsmen section and posting. I know many Top Sportsmen racers, but I do not presume to know anything about their type of racing. I would never go into a forum and post as you did without walking in their shoes first.

I guess I'm the sensitive type, but you could have worded it differently or just not posted.

Crisco, I guess we look through a different set of glasses...... I was insulted.

[Bruce Noland]

This forum is for and about class racers. We were debating the obvious need for wheelie bars when it was interrupted by several people trying to compare class cars to 10.5 cars. Which of course didn't work out for them. Now we have some bracket guys with childish chips on their shoulders hurling insults. Bracket guys have their sites and can contribute all they want but coming here just to be ugly when you don't get your way is unacceptable. Alan has raced in nhra stock and coninues to build and crew Stockers. Alan has been a valuable contributor to this site. I think Mr Stinson has shown enough ugliness to be banned. And should be.

This thread was derailed by the bracket guys and we need to return to the original intent. Which is, the idiotic ruling by nhra to change or remove our wheelie bars, at great expense and risk to the racers, nhra staff and nearby crew members. nhra tech has been reduced to puppet status by nhra and picking on little body modifications like this shows they have been neutered. Bruce isn't attending many national events and I don't think they have torn down 3 cars this year. That leaves the door open for all sorts of chicanery. How long has it been since nhra drug tested the racers?

[Nathan Stinson]

who is the bracket racer you're talking about Bruce. Why should I be banned for stating the truth in my first post in the thread?

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Nathan,

The above statement is insulting to me and not helpful in anyway. Yes we have issues with not only NHRA but each other, but it would be like me going into the Top Sportsmen section and posting. I know many Top Sportsmen racers, but I do not presume to know anything about their type of racing. I would never go into a forum and post as you did without walking in their shoes first.

I guess I'm the sensitive type, but you could have worded it differently or just not posted.

Crisco, I guess we look through a different set of glasses...... I was insulted.

Sorry if the truth insulted you. I can only go by what I read on here. There have been countless threads about cost, nhra, entry fees, rules etc all complaining. If I hated it that bad I would do something else.

[Ken Miele]

Nathan,

No need to be sorry, truth is good. Your post goes beyond just truth, its more about your opinion of the class racing community. like I said, you set the tone with your post. It was disrespectful and should have been reworded. If you had shown respect, I like many others would not be posting.

Sorry Bruce for taking this off topic.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

Sorry if the truth insulted you. I can only go by what I read on here. There have been countless threads about cost, nhra, entry fees, rules etc all complaining. If I hated it that bad I would do something else.

You confuse passion for our chosen part of the sport for hatred. We all complain about the government too, but that doesn't mean we hate our country. We love stock and SS, it's still one of the most challenging classes out there. A lot of people don't like or understand class racing, that's fine. But you don't see us on a bracket racing or heads up racing board, telling them how they're "doing it wrong". Several bracket/heads up racers already chimed in here with their .02, long before you arrived.

To sum it up, when it comes to rules and race procedures, we really don't care what those who don't participate in class racing think.

[Crisco]

If your stocker needs wheelie bars, put them on along with the stock bumper cover with no cutouts or notches like the rule book says and go racing. Chad and Alan, yall don't know Nathan like I do. Probably never even met him... He knows his stuff and would be the first one to help out any of you guys.

Yall have a great day, I'm going to the pool.

[Crisco]

Alan, Ed and Nathan aren't buddies.. trust me.

[Alan Roehrich]

Chris, it's like this.

Bruce made a post about wheelie bars and the fact that he was told by an NHRA offical that they were not a safety device on stockers. Pretty much an informational post for Stock racers.

A discussion began about wheelie bars being necessary for safety.

It went fairly well, until some people who do not own, drive, or crew high HP stockers capable of big wheel stands and serious damage as a result began telling everyone who does either own, drive, or crew one of those high HP cars that they didn't know what they were doing and wheelie bars were not necessary.

So now we have people who have zero direct experience with the subject at hand, telling people with decades (centuries when combined) of direct experience with the subject at hand, that they did not know what they were doing. Easy to see where it was going.

Then we have people coming in and making stupid remarks that had nothing to do with wheelie bars and safety. Your friend Nathan, in particular: "I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something." You want to tell me where the "suggestion", especially a helpful and knowledgable suggestion, was in his first post in this thread? Right, there was not one, he pretty much says class racers do nothing but cry. That was his contribution to the subject at hand, in a nut shell. Well, we knew where it was headed.

I'm all for listening to people who have reasonable suggestions, based on pertinent facts.

Considering what I've seen Nathan and Ed contribute to this board, I don't care whether they're buddies or not.

Here is a suggestion for Nathan, and people who complain that "Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something". If you don't like it, and you have nothing to contribute, don't read it. We won't miss you.

Yeah, class racers complain when they feel the sanctioning body gets it wrong. It's called feed back. From paying customers, and the people who support them. If we did not complain, if they knew we'd just accept what they did without question or complaint, I'm pretty sure we'd be in worse shape.

I'm headed to the track, to do some racing. Enjoy your day at the pool.

[Crisco]

Alan, its like this. I'm not going to argue with you. See you tomorrow though.