End of Stock and SuperStock Racing??

Dick Butler · 06-19-2013, 08:21 AM

One issue is the $ fears. Many think S and SS needs to be affordable by everyone. Bracket racing IS affordable for anyone. Thats where to race for limited money. If you want spectators, class payout, attention, you need a Heads Up show. You name the cars but it cannot be one of everything on a dial in.
The factoring issue is a BIG problem. Too much slowing in class kills it too.
Have a Limited number of classes for the money. People will complain. Some cannot continue but team car idea would allow guys to pool money and continue if cost is too much.
CiC in eliminations of the 10 or 12 class winners.
TOO many classes, variants to satisfy one or two racers. Racing is not Bracket format.
Racing is Heads up winning.
Want a cheaper Class Car? own 1/4 of it and work together.
Want to own it? Create a Modified type class for ONE combination for everyone with strict limits. Not 10 wt breaks.....

Billy Nees · 06-19-2013, 08:36 AM

Dick, you just keep beating that drum!

Dick Butler · 06-19-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Dick, you just keep beating that drum!

Billy, Same answer is always the correct one....people cannot hide from all the facts forever. Selfish wish to be on stage whatever it costs the S or SS eliminators keep people hanging on to their one of a kind. Not being allowed to run SS or S because someone likes a capri, a pick up, a FWD, a 4000 lb wagon is not an Unconstitutional issue. Recreating an eliminator to re earn excitement, support, sponsors could be a good thing.
Thanks for recognising I got rythm.

How about No Break out CIC.

Tony Janes · 06-19-2013, 05:18 PM

Stock is not in trouble, the problem is there a a few who do not like the way NHRA runs the eliminator.

Billy Nees · 06-19-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Stock is not in trouble, the problem is there a a few who do not like the way NHRA runs the eliminator.

I have no problem whatsoever with how Stock and SS are run. How NHRA is run? That's a different story.

BTW Dick, 106? Stockers at Lebanon Valley LODRS and a decent number of them M/S and down. ALL of Stock is doing just fine.
I don't feel that I have a "Constitutional Right" to run Stock Eliminator, I believe that it is my decision. At the same time I don't feel that it is a "selfish wish" of mine to be "on the stage" with a "one of a kind Capri, pick-up, FWD, 4,000lb. wagon" either. Just for curiositys sake, would you please refresh my memory as to just what kind of combo you are currently racing? I'm at least, in my crude, humble, cheap way doing my part to support my sport! I'm sorry that I don't measure up to your standards!

81camaro · 06-19-2013, 08:09 PM

I sure hope the end of stock is not here...my wife and i have always liked this class...we are in our late 60ths and retired..we tried class racing 40 plus years ago..couldn't do it because of family and jobs...went bracket racing..we ran ihra crate motor class the last 3years...wanted nhra...so we just purchased gary norman's camaro and will be Seeing you all soon

Bill and barbara bricker ( 2 retires living their dream )

Dick Butler · 06-19-2013, 09:47 PM

Billy, Dont get nervous. I cannot affect NHRA. I cannot even convince you to read the concerns of those who post here. I cannot get you to have an open discussion about things "I believe" could help get more people in the stands, More sponsors, more fun.
You are correct I do not contribute to NHRA entry funds by racing a car currently. I did support THREE SS/GT cars for several years. Age and life changes have encouraged me to change my activities and direction. I still have a right to respond to questions regarding the sport. I know that without a car it is so much easier to see the issues while not paying entry. Correct, maybe it should not matter to me but having worked hard to organize, manage and run 7 or 8 TOP/SS, and later a TOP/STK events where racers spoke how much they liked it , I have some reasonable input. We did this with only a space to race after many left for the motels. Even Sponsors contributed to these races.All I have spoken to about this project would do it again in a heart beat.
Please do not take my discussions personally. These are supposed to be open to ideas from all people who have best interest of S and SS in mind.
Thank you for understanding.
" All of Stk is doing just fine". How many non racer family were in the stands? How much round money was paid? How many sponsors paid the 3rd place car? This should not be a participant only sport if it is to gain support.

Bobby Fazio · 06-19-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

One issue is the $ fears. Many think S and SS needs to be affordable by everyone. Bracket racing IS affordable for anyone. Thats where to race for limited money. If you want spectators, class payout, attention, you need a Heads Up show. You name the cars but it cannot be one of everything on a dial in.
The factoring issue is a BIG problem. Too much slowing in class kills it too.
Have a Limited number of classes for the money. People will complain. Some cannot continue but team car idea would allow guys to pool money and continue if cost is too much.
CiC in eliminations of the 10 or 12 class winners.
TOO many classes, variants to satisfy one or two racers. Racing is not Bracket format.
Racing is Heads up winning.
Want a cheaper Class Car? own 1/4 of it and work together.
Want to own it? Create a Modified type class for ONE combination for everyone with strict limits. Not 10 wt breaks.....

I have a better idea.. Explain to the 3 spectators in the stands what dial-in racing is, why the numbers are on the board, and why the racer got to the finish line first and lost. Have alan reinhart and dave reiff explain it with a computer generated visual aid on espn2, illustrating a few different scenarios that can happen in a dialed race. Explain that this concept is what keeps class racing "fair" for all the competitors until a heads-up run occurs. How about an information board or a pamphlet at national events that explains this as well? I think eliminations are way more interesting to watch than qualifying.. First guy to the finish line wins in those and it's boring. If you don't explain what dial-in racing is you just keep having "ignorant" spectators through no fault of their own who continue to utter things like "That's stupid it should just be first guy to the finish line wins."

Don Kennedy · 06-19-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

I have a better idea.. Explain to the 3 spectators in the stands what dial-in racing is, why the numbers are on the board, and why the racer got to the finish line first and lost. Have alan reinhart and dave reiff explain it with a computer generated visual aid on espn2, illustrating a few different scenarios that can happen in a dialed race. Explain that this concept is what keeps class racing "fair" for all the competitors until a heads-up run occurs. How about an information board or a pamphlet at national events that explains this as well? I think eliminations are way more interesting to watch than qualifying.. First guy to the finish line wins in those and it's boring. If you don't explain what dial-in racing is you just keep having "ignorant" spectators through no fault of their own who continue to utter things like "That's stupid it should just be first guy to the finish line wins."

Bobby ; You have nailed the problem big time The chase is always more exciting than a simple heads up run. The Sportsman racer just needs to be promoted more and the fans will like that and will show more to help the track make some more money

Harry 6674 · 06-19-2013, 01:17 PM

No one watches shoe polish racing no matter how hard its pushed. If you get to finish line first and lose it should have a different name. When I started racing we ran off the records and it was way more fun. The cars back then typically weren't built like they are now. There was a bigger chance of breakage so there was always the chance you could beat a faster car. Missed shifts were common.

06-19-2013, 08:21 AM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? One issue is the $ fears. Many think S and SS needs to be affordable by everyone. Bracket racing IS affordable for anyone. Thats where to race for limited money. If you want spectators, class payout, attention, you need a Heads Up show. You name the cars but it cannot be one of everything on a dial in. The factoring issue is a BIG problem. Too much slowing in class kills it too. Have a Limited number of classes for the money. People will complain. Some cannot continue but team car idea would allow guys to pool money and continue if cost is too much. CiC in eliminations of the 10 or 12 class winners. TOO many classes, variants to satisfy one or two racers. Racing is not Bracket format. Racing is Heads up winning. Want a cheaper Class Car? own 1/4 of it and work together. Want to own it? Create a Modified type class for ONE combination for everyone with strict limits. Not 10 wt breaks.....

06-19-2013, 08:36 AM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,506 Likes: 3,613 Liked 7,865 Times in 1,750 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Dick, you just keep beating that drum! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

06-19-2013, 05:18 PM	#4
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 97 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Stock is not in trouble, the problem is there a a few who do not like the way NHRA runs the eliminator. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

06-19-2013, 08:09 PM	#6
81camaro Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: white plains,md Posts: 19 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? I sure hope the end of stock is not here...my wife and i have always liked this class...we are in our late 60ths and retired..we tried class racing 40 plus years ago..couldn't do it because of family and jobs...went bracket racing..we ran ihra crate motor class the last 3years...wanted nhra...so we just purchased gary norman's camaro and will be Seeing you all soon Bill and barbara bricker ( 2 retires living their dream )

06-19-2013, 09:47 PM	#7
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? Billy, Dont get nervous. I cannot affect NHRA. I cannot even convince you to read the concerns of those who post here. I cannot get you to have an open discussion about things "I believe" could help get more people in the stands, More sponsors, more fun. You are correct I do not contribute to NHRA entry funds by racing a car currently. I did support THREE SS/GT cars for several years. Age and life changes have encouraged me to change my activities and direction. I still have a right to respond to questions regarding the sport. I know that without a car it is so much easier to see the issues while not paying entry. Correct, maybe it should not matter to me but having worked hard to organize, manage and run 7 or 8 TOP/SS, and later a TOP/STK events where racers spoke how much they liked it , I have some reasonable input. We did this with only a space to race after many left for the motels. Even Sponsors contributed to these races.All I have spoken to about this project would do it again in a heart beat. Please do not take my discussions personally. These are supposed to be open to ideas from all people who have best interest of S and SS in mind. Thank you for understanding. " All of Stk is doing just fine". How many non racer family were in the stands? How much round money was paid? How many sponsors paid the 3rd place car? This should not be a participant only sport if it is to gain support. Last edited by Dick Butler; 06-19-2013 at 09:50 PM.

06-19-2013, 01:17 PM	#10
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: End of Stock and SuperStock Racing?? No one watches shoe polish racing no matter how hard its pushed. If you get to finish line first and lose it should have a different name. When I started racing we ran off the records and it was way more fun. The cars back then typically weren't built like they are now. There was a bigger chance of breakage so there was always the chance you could beat a faster car. Missed shifts were common.