Racer Suspension

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Bob

I agree, Bob is a nice guy. But those that know him also know he skirted the system all the time. NHRA found a chance to get even. Plain and simple!

Please tell us how has Bob skirted the system all the time!!!

When he showed up at the track many years ago with the 260-4bbl Olds Cutlass, the car had been in the books for many years and Bob built one based on data in the NHRA tech sheets like anyone one else could have done.

As regards to the approval of the F.I. Olds 350 engine from the Cadillac was Bob's initial idea; it got shot down by NHRA when he submitted it. However, it later got approved by NHRA when Randy Mans submitted the same data to NHRA.

So, in a nutshell, please tell me again how he has skirted the system.

[JRyan]

I believe Bob Shaw was running the Injected Olds in his Stocker long before it became a consideration in Superstock.

Also, I have some older NHRA tech manuals (from back when you bouht them), and I never did find the HP rating or the intake manifold number for a 4-bbl. 260 Olds. It doesn't exist in my manuals.

It might be an error like the 327 Intake on the 283's, but that one was so screwed up it was actually missing a number in the original tech sheets, but allowed anyway. Maybe NHRA corrected the Olds data and removed it. In any case my manuals never showed a 4-bbl. Olds 260. Ya gotta love Bob Dennis regardless.

J

[Dan Lattimore]

Guess this means you have to question everything in the tech book before you build it.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Please tell us how has Bob skirted the system all the time!!!

When he showed up at the track many years ago with the 260-4bbl Olds Cutlass, the car had been in the books for many years and Bob built one based on data in the NHRA tech sheets like anyone one else could have done.

As regards to the approval of the F.I. Olds 350 engine from the Cadillac was Bob's initial idea; it got shot down by NHRA when he submitted it. However, it later got approved by NHRA when Randy Mans submitted the same data to NHRA.

So, in a nutshell, please tell me again how he has skirted the system.

I think he means that if you aren't running cookie cutters like an LS or LT GM, a big or small block Chevy. a V8 mopar etc . You are skirting the system.

[Greenlight]

Originally Posted by Tim H

This is really interesting, where was this originally written/posted ?

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...=224617&page=2

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

When he showed up at the track many years ago with the 260-4bbl Olds Cutlass, the car had been in the books for many years and Bob built one based on data in the NHRA tech sheets like anyone one else could have done.

Well I've got to call B.S. on this one. In 1991 I built one of those cars and at the time there was no intake number listed in the blueprint specs. Now I'd be lying if I said that i didn't know that it was a bogus combo when I built it. I called Jim Skelly who was, at the time working in Ca. for the Tech Dept. to get a legal intake # and Jim told me "don't build the car, it's a mistake". Jim was going to bring to Dave Danish's(?) attention and fix it. It never got fixed. So not "anyone" else could have done it and I did my car years before Bob did his.
I don't know exactly what happened and what ensued but it sure doesn't seem to me to deserve that kind of a penalty! And it really shouldn't matter whether he was, is or has been "skirting the system" anyway. He should only be penalized for what he was caught doing at the time.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Well I've got to call B.S. on this one. In 1991 I built one of those cars and at the time there was no intake number listed in the blueprint specs. Now I'd be lying if I said that i didn't know that it was a bogus combo when I built it. I called Jim Skelly who was, at the time working in Ca. for the Tech Dept. to get a legal intake # and Jim told me "don't build the car, it's a mistake". Jim was going to bring to Dave Danish's(?) attention and fix it. It never got fixed. So not "anyone" else could have done it and I did my car years before Bob did his.
I don't know exactly what happened and what ensued but it sure doesn't seem to me to deserve that kind of a penalty! And it really shouldn't matter whether he was, is or has been "skirting the system" anyway. He should only be penalized for what he was caught doing at the time.

Well, did not know you had built one; therefore, Bob was the first one to show up at the track with one.

[Tim H]

Originally Posted by Greenlight

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...=224617&page=2

Thanks, for the link, Lee was my all time favorite racer.Rarely a day passes that I don't think of his tragic passing, some 28 years ago.

[Travis Miller]

The Olds 260 4-bl never existed. That engine had a 4-bl intake but the carb used was a version of the quadrajet with the secondaries blanked out. Olds did this so they did not have to cast a special 2-bl intake. It was easier to alter the quadrajet carb casting.

The first time I saw that combination run at Indy I told Jim Skelly and Dave Danish that it was wrong and did not come with a 4-bl. It took some persistent arguing on my part over a long period of time to eventually get the quadrajet removed from the 260 engine spec. For those who have never seen the blanked out 2-bl version of the quadrajet check this out...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/rochester-2m...50796919882%26

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Well I've got to call B.S. on this one. In 1991 I built one of those cars and at the time there was no intake number listed in the blueprint specs. Now I'd be lying if I said that i didn't know that it was a bogus combo when I built it. I called Jim Skelly who was, at the time working in Ca. for the Tech Dept. to get a legal intake # and Jim told me "don't build the car, it's a mistake". Jim was going to bring to Dave Danish's(?) attention and fix it. It never got fixed. So not "anyone" else could have done it and I did my car years before Bob did his.
I don't know exactly what happened and what ensued but it sure doesn't seem to me to deserve that kind of a penalty! And it really shouldn't matter whether he was, is or has been "skirting the system" anyway. He should only be penalized for what he was caught doing at the time.

So Holier than Thou Billy Nees would knowingly build a bogus combination? Really! Then I find it quite hypocritical you would arrange a meeting with NHRA about AMC parts you perceive as "bogus." Why would you not have marched into NHRA proving the Olds 260 4bbl was "bogus?" Because obviously it served your needs. I'd always heard (from numerous sources) it was you that got the Olds 260 4bbl removed from the books. Now I 'm hearing different. Hmm interesting..
A previous post you said the 283 - 327 intake needed to be "corrected". What progress have you made with NHRA on the removal of that "bogus" part?
What parts are next in your catalog?