Racer Suspension

71mavlouisville · 05-18-2013, 01:26 PM

$5000.00 is ridiculous!!! I can understand the suspension, taking points or something like that, but, $5000.00? I think $500.00 would be reasonable for a sportsman racer. Has NHRA looked at the payouts for Super Stock, $300 + for entry to win $1800.00

71mavlouisville · 05-18-2013, 01:37 PM

Sammy, I agree with you, seat belts every 2 years is CRAZY! Sometimes I think we get the cart before the horse. The best way to not get hurt is to not crash. A guy can put 1000’s runs on tires, 1000’s runs on engine, 1000’s on rear ends and driveshaft’s, 1000’s run on brakes? But his belts are new? With my chaotic life and being a professional 1st round runner up I get about 30 runs out of a set of seat belts

LOL!

Bob · 05-19-2013, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71mavlouisville

$5000.00 is ridiculous!!! I can understand the suspension, taking points or something like that, but, $5000.00? I think $500.00 would be reasonable for a sportsman racer. Has NHRA looked at the payouts for Super Stock, $300 + for entry to win $1800.00

Really?? You think people race for the winners purse??
Walk through the pits and look at some S/SS cars!
30K Engines
6K Automatics
5K Cylinder Heads
100K-200K Cars
500K Haulers-Rigs
Not to mention race weekend expenses like race fuel, travel fuel, tires, and food!

IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD THE MONEY FOR NEW SEAT BELTS, BUT YOU SPEND $100 ON A BEER FOR THE WEEKEND, YOUR PRIORITIES ARE REALLY MESSED UP. BUT EVEN WORSE, IT'S YOUR SAFETY!!

S/SS is an ego sport, plain and simple!!

I agree, Bob is a nice guy. But those that know him also know he skirted the system all the time. NHRA found a chance to get even. Plain and simple!

1320racer · 05-19-2013, 12:38 PM

dead on with a zero!

art leong · 05-19-2013, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob

Really?? You think people race for the winners purse??
Walk through the pits and look at some S/SS cars!
30K Engines
6K Automatics
5K Cylinder Heads
100K-200K Cars
500K Haulers-Rigs
Not to mention race weekend expenses like race fuel, travel fuel, tires, and food!

IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD THE MONEY FOR NEW SEAT BELTS, BUT YOU SPEND $100 ON A BEER FOR THE WEEKEND, YOUR PRIORITIES ARE REALLY MESSED UP. BUT EVEN WORSE, IT'S YOUR SAFETY!!

S/SS is an ego sport, plain and simple!!

I agree, Bob is a nice guy. But those that know him also know he skirted the system all the time. NHRA found a chance to get even. Plain and simple!

Sounds fine. Until you are the one get even with?
We don't have a clue about how this went down. Who said what and How what was said.
I have been on the get even side a NHRA myself. Being tossed for to little compression, being not allowed to race because of an obvious typo, getting horsepower for going fast where they stated in print wouldn't count. And last but far from least running a final round 3 times (that one was back in the Farmer/Wally days).
If any of you think it's okay for NHRA to get back at someone Please have the guts to print who you are.

71mavlouisville · 05-19-2013, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob

Really?? You think people race for the winners purse??
Walk through the pits and look at some S/SS cars!
30K Engines
6K Automatics
5K Cylinder Heads
100K-200K Cars
500K Haulers-Rigs
Not to mention race weekend expenses like race fuel, travel fuel, tires, and food!

IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD THE MONEY FOR NEW SEAT BELTS, BUT YOU SPEND $100 ON A BEER FOR THE WEEKEND, YOUR PRIORITIES ARE REALLY MESSED UP. BUT EVEN WORSE, IT'S YOUR SAFETY!!

S/SS is an ego sport, plain and simple!!

I agree, Bob is a nice guy. But those that know him also know he skirted the system all the time. NHRA found a chance to get even. Plain and simple!

Just standing up for a friend, I think we really race for points more than anything else, grade points and points series.

Toby Lang · 05-19-2013, 05:16 PM

FWIW, I agree with you, Ashton. I also think a $5K fine is excessive. Just because some people have $500K+ operations does that make it OK for them to fine us $10K or $50K?

You were just comparing the amount of the fine to the payouts. Nothing wrong with that.

KRatcliff · 05-19-2013, 05:21 PM

I race for the really hot girls.......

.....mebbe the drugs haven't worn off.

Ron Ortiz · 05-19-2013, 07:40 PM

Kyle, glad to see there is some sense going on here. It all started out when a guy had a car, girls wanted to be with him. Now make it a race car and you've got something. But it still is hard to beat an astronaut.

If the seat belts we purchase @ $$$ are supposed to be so good, then why do they wear out so fast, for such little use. Can't there be a reputable safety conscious manufacturer out there to provide such a product. And if wear is not the problem, then NHRA should reconsider the re certification period and who they approve for safety products.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA strap me in.

Dan Wilson · 05-19-2013, 08:05 PM

Extortion

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search
"Exact" redirects here. For the exact sciences, see Exact science.
"Extort" redirects here. For the album by KMFDM, see XTORT.
Criminal lawPart of the common law seriesElement (criminal law)

Actus reus
Mens rea

Scope of criminal liability

Seriousness of offense

Inchoate offenses

Offence against the person

Homicide

Murder
- Felony murder

Manslaughter

Negligent homicide

Vehicular homicide

Crimes against property

Embezzlement
Extortion

Possessing stolen property

Crimes against justice

Malfeasance in office

Perverting the course of justice

Defences to liability

Defence of property

Diminished responsibility

Ignorantia juris non excusat

Justification
Mistake (of law)

Other common law areas

Portals

v
t
e

Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence of unlawfully obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant.[2]
Extortion is distinguished from robbery. In armed robbery, the offender takes goods from the victim with use of immediate force. In robbery goods are taken or an attempt is made to take the goods against the will of another—with or without force. A bank robbery or extortion of a bank can be committed by a letter handed by the criminal to the teller. In extortion, the victim is threatened to hand over goods, or else damage to their reputation or other harm or violence against them may occur. Under United States federal law extortion can be committed with or without the use of force and with or without the use of a weapon. A key difference is that extortion always involves a written or verbal threat whereas robbery can occur without any verbal or written threat.
Blackmail, which involves extortion, is when the offender threatens to reveal information about a victim or his family members that is potentially embarrassing, socially damaging, or incriminating unless a demand for money, property, or services is met.
The term extortion is often used metaphorically to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. It is also often used loosely to refer to everyday situations where one person feels indebted against their will, to another, in order to receive an essential service or avoid legal consequences.
Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc.

05-18-2013, 01:26 PM	#1
71mavlouisville Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 68 Likes: 0 Liked 28 Times in 1 Post	Re: Racer Suspension $5000 - are you crazy $5000.00 is ridiculous!!! I can understand the suspension, taking points or something like that, but, $5000.00? I think $500.00 would be reasonable for a sportsman racer. Has NHRA looked at the payouts for Super Stock, $300 + for entry to win $1800.00 __________________ Ashton Hudson SS/CS 4373

05-18-2013, 01:37 PM	#2
71mavlouisville Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 68 Likes: 0 Liked 28 Times in 1 Post	Re: Racer Suspension - Sammy's Right Sammy, I agree with you, seat belts every 2 years is CRAZY! Sometimes I think we get the cart before the horse. The best way to not get hurt is to not crash. A guy can put 1000’s runs on tires, 1000’s runs on engine, 1000’s on rear ends and driveshaft’s, 1000’s run on brakes? But his belts are new? With my chaotic life and being a professional 1st round runner up I get about 30 runs out of a set of seat belts LOL! __________________ Ashton Hudson SS/CS 4373

05-19-2013, 12:38 PM	#4
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Racer Suspension dead on with a zero!

05-19-2013, 05:16 PM	#7
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Racer Suspension FWIW, I agree with you, Ashton. I also think a $5K fine is excessive. Just because some people have $500K+ operations does that make it OK for them to fine us $10K or $50K? You were just comparing the amount of the fine to the payouts. Nothing wrong with that.

05-19-2013, 05:21 PM	#8
KRatcliff Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 769 Likes: 75 Liked 534 Times in 143 Posts	Re: Racer Suspension I race for the really hot girls....... .....mebbe the drugs haven't worn off.

05-19-2013, 07:40 PM	#9
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Racer Suspension Kyle, glad to see there is some sense going on here. It all started out when a guy had a car, girls wanted to be with him. Now make it a race car and you've got something. But it still is hard to beat an astronaut. If the seat belts we purchase @ $$$ are supposed to be so good, then why do they wear out so fast, for such little use. Can't there be a reputable safety conscious manufacturer out there to provide such a product. And if wear is not the problem, then NHRA should reconsider the re certification period and who they approve for safety products. Ron Ortiz U/SA strap me in. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

05-19-2013, 08:05 PM	#10
Dan Wilson Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Racer Suspension Extortion From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search "Exact" redirects here. For the exact sciences, see Exact science. "Extort" redirects here. For the album by KMFDM, see XTORT. Criminal lawPart of the common law seriesElement (criminal law) Actus reus Mens rea Causation Concurrence Scope of criminal liability Complicity Corporate Vicarious Seriousness of offense Felony Misdemeanor Inchoate offenses Attempt Conspiracy Incitement Solicitation Offence against the person Assault Battery Criminal negligence False imprisonment Kidnapping Mayhem Robbery Sexual assault Homicide Murder Felony murder Manslaughter Negligent homicide Vehicular homicide Crimes against property Arson Blackmail Burglary Embezzlement Extortion False pretenses Fraud Larceny Possessing stolen property Robbery Theft Crimes against justice Compounding Misprision Obstruction Perjury Malfeasance in office Perverting the course of justice Defences to liability Automatism Consent Defence of property Diminished responsibility Duress Entrapment Ignorantia juris non excusat Infancy Insanity Justification Mistake (of law) Necessity Provocation Self-defence Other common law areas Contracts Evidence Property Torts Wills, trusts and estates Portals Criminal justice Law v t e Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence of unlawfully obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant.[2] Extortion is distinguished from robbery. In armed robbery, the offender takes goods from the victim with use of immediate force. In robbery goods are taken or an attempt is made to take the goods against the will of another—with or without force. A bank robbery or extortion of a bank can be committed by a letter handed by the criminal to the teller. In extortion, the victim is threatened to hand over goods, or else damage to their reputation or other harm or violence against them may occur. Under United States federal law extortion can be committed with or without the use of force and with or without the use of a weapon. A key difference is that extortion always involves a written or verbal threat whereas robbery can occur without any verbal or written threat. Blackmail, which involves extortion, is when the offender threatens to reveal information about a victim or his family members that is potentially embarrassing, socially damaging, or incriminating unless a demand for money, property, or services is met. The term extortion is often used metaphorically to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. It is also often used loosely to refer to everyday situations where one person feels indebted against their will, to another, in order to receive an essential service or avoid legal consequences. Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc. __________________ Dan Wilson, STK3171, K/SA