How competitive are you? - Page 2

Tom Turner · 12-29-2012, 07:21 PM

The last time I agreed with Jeff Lee I had to take a shower and lobby the good girls to let me out of the "slut of the month club"....Here we go again!
You are right on my friend. More HU races and an AHFS that actually works will save class racing; Fewer HU's and the current AHFS will certainly be the death of it. (or may have already done so) Wish I had said it first. Oh well....off to the showers.

KRatcliff · 12-29-2012, 07:22 PM

You actually know good girls?

7423 · 12-29-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Turner

The last time I agreed with Jeff Lee I had to take a shower and lobby the good girls to let me out of the "slut of the month club"....Here we go again!
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That was perfect!!
Happy Holidays to ya Tom...............

Jeff Lee · 12-29-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Turner

The last time I agreed with Jeff Lee I had to take a shower and lobby the good girls to let me out of the "slut of the month club"....Here we go again!
You are right on my friend. More HU races and an AHFS that actually works will save class racing; Fewer HU's and the current AHFS will certainly be the death of it. (or may have already done so) Wish I had said it first. Oh well....off to the showers.

Well at least you are admitting you have agreed with me on MORE than one occasion!

Tom Turner · 12-29-2012, 11:11 PM

Charlie; I'm glad my humor does not offend you and hope you had a great Christmas and have a wonderful 2013.

Kyle; Yes, as difficult as it may be to believe; many good girls (and some of the other persuasion) actually call me "friend"...........no sheep however.

Jeff: No fair rubbing my nose in it!

All my Class Racer friends: Please send soap.

SSDiv6 · 12-30-2012, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Turner

Charlie; I'm glad my humor does not offend you and hope you had a great Christmas and have a wonderful 2013.

Kyle; Yes, as difficult as it may be to believe; many good girls (and some of the other persuasion) actually call me "friend"...........no sheep however.

Jeff: No fair rubbing my nose in it!

All my Class Racer friends: Please send soap.

Here you go Tom, you have a few choices...

MAURICE BLENDHEIM · 12-30-2012, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro

Dick,

Don't you think the sport is dying fast enough for you !!!! What about the little guy who still wants to race but doesn't have the Big bucks ... Your seeing the car counts going down fast enough without heads-up Racing ?
I think it's time for you to get another idea like AHRA ( heads-up only ), hope you have lots of money ???? Give it a Rest, when is your Racecar coming out to the Track anyway ???... Billy, you are Right On Again !!!!!
I think racers would like to see Sticks & Auto combined first and see how that goes ? Remember Car counts are important to all kinds of Racing, when it comes to pay-outs ... Let's try to help Racing, not kill it ....

Dave...Please describe "the little guy" and "Bug bucks" for me. Are you satisfied with just about anything becoming part of the so called car count?

SSDiv6 · 12-30-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM

Dave...Please describe "the little guy" and "Bug bucks" for me. Are you satisfied with just about anything becoming part of the so called car count?

Maurice, it is interesting that you are calling Dave as regards to "car count" when your agenda is to get rid of heads-up runs and turn the class into a bracket race in lieu of a performance based class.

Dick Butler · 12-30-2012, 09:40 AM

Unfortunately everyone of us has to admit an agenda. Some want a place to race a $500 car with more costly cars so we can be part of the NHRA show. Some cannot afford to create the most competitve "any class " car. Some of us can afford VERY expensive cars, Car haulers, Motor homes etc. Some just want to keep the same car we had for 40 years and cannot imagine changing for the long term good of the WHOLE Stock or SS racing. Some of us no longer run a car for x reason or the other but still watch the same upsets, same whining, same lack of action by the NHRA but the continued love for the sport. When I watch Snow Mobiles as part of the "Show" at an NHRA event it is soooo Obvious to me that if you will pay to bring it to the track, THAT is the agenda of NHRA. Entry Money.
Lack of spectators, Lack of Sponsors, Lack of advertising is all much less important if the entry pays the bills.
Without Someone, Something doing it 180degrees different payouts, Sponsors, Spectators, Fairness of rules will be absent and everyone will pass away wishing it could have been......
Thus my continued Honest interest in these discussions...and my support for changes which will leave the racing better than it is today for everyone involved.

Billy Nees · 12-30-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

...and my support for changes which will leave the racing better than it is today for everyone involved.

In your humble opinion, Dick! The best way (IMHO)to make Drag Racing "better than it is today" would be to call for a moratorium on rule changes for the next 5 years! Right now, all of NHRA racing is so unstable that I can understand why no one would want to invest in building or buying a car! It's simple business (you ARE a business man aren't you?). Where are you going to get the best return on your investment? Is a new factory racer a good investment? Maybe in the long term (maybe). Is a classic Muscle Car racer a good investment? Probably but with too many variables. Ask a racer building a dragster how good its investment potential is, it's nil, but it's relatively inexpensive and it should be long lived (in re. to rule changes). Now ask yourself how long can I race one of these cars before it has the possibility of becoming obsolete.
If you think that you can make Drag Racing "better than it is today" by coming up with a handful of heads-up classes then good luck but it ain't gonna happen. Pro Stock isn't even doing too well at this point because the financial investment required won't allow it a return on its investment and the racers that ARE investing are getting tired of the outlays VS. the benefits.
All forms of Drag Racing have always had "money guys and working guys" (example, Garlits VS. Ivo) and I don't have any problems (well maybe a couple) with a racer spending what ever he's comfortable or capable of spending. BUT, for every "money guy" out there I'll guarantee you that there is probably at least a couple of dozen that won't or can't spend a great amount and these are the guys that you have to encourage to come and stay in the sport or it can't survive (how did Top Stock work out for you!).
If you truely want to help make Drag Racing become "better than it is today" then encourage NHRA to leave the rules alone and encourage a couple of neighborhood kids to go Bracket Race at the local track, maybe even take them there and help them out. In the long run they're the only hope that Drag Racing has for a future.
I guess what all of this crap comes down to is "how much are you willing to spend on entertainment and how many people can you get to do it"?

12-29-2012, 07:21 PM	#11
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How competitive are you? The last time I agreed with Jeff Lee I had to take a shower and lobby the good girls to let me out of the "slut of the month club"....Here we go again! You are right on my friend. More HU races and an AHFS that actually works will save class racing; Fewer HU's and the current AHFS will certainly be the death of it. (or may have already done so) Wish I had said it first. Oh well....off to the showers.

12-29-2012, 07:22 PM	#12
KRatcliff Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 765 Likes: 75 Liked 524 Times in 141 Posts	Re: How competitive are you? You actually know good girls?

12-29-2012, 11:11 PM	#15
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How competitive are you? Charlie; I'm glad my humor does not offend you and hope you had a great Christmas and have a wonderful 2013. Kyle; Yes, as difficult as it may be to believe; many good girls (and some of the other persuasion) actually call me "friend"...........no sheep however. Jeff: No fair rubbing my nose in it! All my Class Racer friends: Please send soap.

12-30-2012, 09:40 AM	#19
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: How competitive are you? Unfortunately everyone of us has to admit an agenda. Some want a place to race a $500 car with more costly cars so we can be part of the NHRA show. Some cannot afford to create the most competitve "any class " car. Some of us can afford VERY expensive cars, Car haulers, Motor homes etc. Some just want to keep the same car we had for 40 years and cannot imagine changing for the long term good of the WHOLE Stock or SS racing. Some of us no longer run a car for x reason or the other but still watch the same upsets, same whining, same lack of action by the NHRA but the continued love for the sport. When I watch Snow Mobiles as part of the "Show" at an NHRA event it is soooo Obvious to me that if you will pay to bring it to the track, THAT is the agenda of NHRA. Entry Money. Lack of spectators, Lack of Sponsors, Lack of advertising is all much less important if the entry pays the bills. Without Someone, Something doing it 180degrees different payouts, Sponsors, Spectators, Fairness of rules will be absent and everyone will pass away wishing it could have been...... Thus my continued Honest interest in these discussions...and my support for changes which will leave the racing better than it is today for everyone involved.