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John, Bob,Ron......and everyone else ...
History does try to repeat ..... We have enough rules & changes, let's enforce the ones we have first ... Let's just Race ....
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Just a series of questions because I am still interested in trying to help with a track which is finding Heads up attracts spectators. I am trying to substitute NHRA class cars into their program for the street racers so NHRA racers would have a alternative place to race and maybe it would spread. How about TOP/SS cars or TOP/STK cars with factored in New cars?or just new mustang meets? Or Camaro meet?
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The question should be, "Why are drag racers scared of true racing with rules, but circle track racers are not"? "Why are spec heads accepted in circle track, but not drag racing?" "Why do the circle track guys draw crowds of 1500 a weekend, at the local level, but bracket racing draws 3?" We truly have taken the crowd appeal out of drag racing. The truth hurts. I would race in a heads-up affordable format.
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Heads up and affordable are incompatible.
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Why do the circle track guys draw crowds? Lots of chances for accidents and drama in the pits. There is a race nearly every weekend with the same local racers in a span of only a few hours drive. The racers friends and family and cousins are involved and everyone knows each other. Everyone gets together to have a good time and drink some beer and hang out. Drama between drivers and families can help add to the draw sometimes. Everybody pretty much knows everyone else so it's just a bunch of good ole boys.
One of the things I love about drag racing is the competitiveness and ingenuity of racers and builders. To me that's the most fun is thinking outside of the box to find an edge on the competition. Wether it's in HP or chassis. Heads up never ends cheaply. It almost always starts with a racers sounding like baby chicks "cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap". Racing starts competitive people forge their way to the top and spend more then the next guy for R&D. You have spec engines? Fine one of the most expensive part is now cheaper (except some would say in drag racing HP is king and what it's all about so you are neutering the very core SOME may say) Besides there will still be people that will do the R&D for the chassis and do all the testing etc... Then the argument between the "have's" and the "have not's" will continue. The only way you can keep the cost low is sealed everything with no tweaking or testing. Like go carts at the local fun zone. No body sits and watches those for fun just stand in line waiting their turn to race another person(s). It's a viscous cycle. Cheap cheap cheap...new class....happiness...competitiveness....dominance. ...evoulution.....new racers have a tough time jumping into the class to compete with the veterans that have been in the class since inception......complaining ....car counts lower.....more complaining...cheap cheap cheap....creative destruction old class dies new class is born.
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The reason circle track draws crowds, is the same reason Eddyville drew crowds before 1980. Actual racing. I was there in 79, and I was there in 80. Pro stock is unbelievably expensive. Just like comp, and others. No one has tried to limit the head, in either pro stock, top stock, etc. Drag racing should have never allowed computers, or in my opinion, clutchless trans. All take the driving out of the equation. I know I'm probably flogging a dead horse, but local drag racing needs a shot in the arm. Let's look at some scenarios, shall we. Pro stock, $125,000 chassis, $125,000 motor, $250,000 misc. Comp, basically the same. SS, $50,000 car, $35,000 engine, $10,000 trans, $100,000 misc. Spec, heads, $1,700 new, short block, the best, $7,500, Trans, $3,500, clutch, single disc, $1,800. car, 72 and older, $25,000. All this, and 1\3 the price of SS. The head company could police the head, just like they police it at Knoxville. No computers allowed. How would anyone run away with it. Have a $500 head exchange only. No one will have an advantage under those simple rules. I don't see why the HRA's haven't tried it. I know one thing, what they're doing now is not drawing spectators. And the new car classes are all right, but still expensive, and no one knows their limits. Anyone afraid of a well policed spec class must have other issues. Don't let it get out of hand, and it won't. Have a $1,000 fine for any, and all infractions.
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If you advertise a race as "Show starts at 6:00PM!", then guess what, people are going to think the show starts at 6:00PM. If you tell them there's an incredible rolling car show going on all day long and educate them about what they're seeing, a lot of people will come, watch, and enjoy. If you tell them to leave, go buy a hot dog, and watch the Pros in the pits, then that's what they're going to do. I've seen it happen both ways. Since I was a kid, all I've heard is "there's no kids coming into the sport, it's dying". There are dozens of kids coming into the sport at any given time at podunk little Beaver Springs Dragway alone, who bothers to market to them. Then you hear say "People can't understand bracket racing." Think about that for a second. Do you know how ridiculous that is? They're called rules (and there aren't very many of them). There are a massively larger set of rules in football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. If people know what the rules are, this is NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND. It just needs explained. Make someone watch any game with no knowledge of the rules and without telling them what's going on, and they're likely to get bored or frustrated.
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