superstock hemi heads

Hemi Moose · 11-19-2012, 08:31 PM

Would you happen to have a link...also heard that CW made a formal protest to NHRA about some of the Hemi cylinder heads RB were using...I don't know all of the details or if it has been settled yet, but if anyone here know whats going on, please fill us in...

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SSDA Hemi · 11-19-2012, 09:39 PM

I sure hope they get this squared away soon….

Hemi Moose · 11-20-2012, 02:55 AM

Here's today's installment of 'As The World Turns' soap story continues...I got an interesting private message from Mr. X today...so is there any truth to this rumor.

Quote: I've heard the issue is one of the teams (I believe it is RB) is milling the intake surface of the heads so much there is only 1/2 of the valve cover bolt hole remaining. They then put an adapter on the intake surface that the valve cover will lay on; there's only a couple of bolts holding the valve cover on. The adapter is akin to using a bolt on / extended exhaust port. On the intake side, the adapter will allow taller / straighter ports. That's the story I've heard! Those SS/AH guys have ego's I don't want to be around!

SSDA Hemi · 11-20-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Those SS/AH guys have ego's I don't want to be around!

That is the exact opposite of my experience.

Hemi Moose · 11-20-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

That is the exact opposite of my experience.

This is not my opinion, I was just posting a PM that I received after asking a question...but I must admit that it's a very competitive class and I'm sure there is lots of accusations being thrown around at every race from time to time.

Erik Jones · 11-21-2012, 07:56 PM

I think the rule is as clear as it can get. It has been clear for as long as the rule has been in place. The only problem is that it wasnt enforced.
As a Stock & SuperStock cylinder head guy i think the rule needs to be taken as is and the subject needs to be dropped.NHRA has done there job on making this rule clear and now they just need to enforce it and stay within the guidlines and wording!!! Its pretty cut and dry guys.

No Disrespect to anyone but lets move on and let the chips fall where they may!

SSDA Hemi · 11-22-2012, 07:25 AM

Thats exactly the response I would expect from a head porter, the only ones to gain anything in this. I like to figure where the chips will fall before someone knocks the pile over

As Jeff Teuton has stated, NHRA has not enforced this rule for too long. You can't tell everyone running RB, CW, MCH or VED heads that they are illegal now. You need new heads. This is why I tried to difuse this fire before it escalated into this. If your VC threads are cut into on the intake side, your sh!ts illegal…

I know someone with 2 AH cars, selling 4 AH engines. Suddenly all your sh!ts illegal! And it goes past AH. I know of a fast SS/DA car out in washington state. Bam- your sh!ts illegal. Spend $20k+ per engine to add .020 to .125" to the intake face. And as far as the valvetrain stabilizer, CW already had it figured what he needs to do to move those internal. Just send $

The other problem is where would all the new castings come from for all the heads to be replaced. Thats alot of heads. I have 3 sets of castings new in boxes. Maybe I am wrong with my $20k cyl head legalizing. What r new castings worth now? $$$.

And as stated earlier, my SS/DA stuff is legal to the rules. I have 4 sets VED (the most conservative of the bunch) and one set of RB Oval in my shop, so I kind of have a stake in this and something to lose/gain also. The rule needs to be addressed and we all move on I agree. Telling everyone suddenly the parts you have been running for the last five to ten years is now illegal is not the answer. Can you say Class Killer…

On this Thanksgiving Day I am very thankful for SS/AH and dont want to see it die a slow agonizing death. I just hope NHRA agrees

Chuck Comella · 11-20-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

I sure hope they get this squared away soon….

John did u buy Marvell's car ? Chuck

SSDA Hemi · 11-20-2012, 07:03 AM

Yes, thats the old Bob Reed/ Parham, O.D. Powell/ Bucky Hess/ Marvel Cuda. For the eliminator, not the shoot outs, LOL!

And Chuck, PM sent

Jeff Teuton · 11-20-2012, 10:33 AM

The drama continues. Just how much can be relocated on a motor. Just how much can be relocated on a car. Just how much can be relocated on your wallet or purse. NHRA shares some of the blame here. It was allowed to get out of bounds, but in NHRA's defense, it is like trying to ride a bull without a rope. People been relocating stuff on the Darts and Cuda's for most of my adult life, and I'm 69 going on 92. So what you have is a Pro Stock car wrapped in a 68 Cuda or Dart. For Indy the few that get in have already worn out their stuff on class. I know at some races, the AH guys are asked if they are going to run or not during the eliminator. Then you got 482 byes, or maybe 29. Depends. If a list was started of the things allowed were started today, Pomona would get here first. Might be a winter project for the forum, keep your mind fresh, and your concentration up for stuff you might like to relocate on your Pure Stocker.

11-19-2012, 08:31 PM	#1
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads Would you happen to have a link...also heard that CW made a formal protest to NHRA about some of the Hemi cylinder heads RB were using...I don't know all of the details or if it has been settled yet, but if anyone here know whats going on, please fill us in... . Last edited by Hemi Moose; 11-19-2012 at 10:00 PM.

11-19-2012, 09:39 PM	#2
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads I sure hope they get this squared away soon….

11-20-2012, 02:55 AM	#3
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads Here's today's installment of 'As The World Turns' soap story continues...I got an interesting private message from Mr. X today...so is there any truth to this rumor. Quote: I've heard the issue is one of the teams (I believe it is RB) is milling the intake surface of the heads so much there is only 1/2 of the valve cover bolt hole remaining. They then put an adapter on the intake surface that the valve cover will lay on; there's only a couple of bolts holding the valve cover on. The adapter is akin to using a bolt on / extended exhaust port. On the intake side, the adapter will allow taller / straighter ports. That's the story I've heard! Those SS/AH guys have ego's I don't want to be around!

11-21-2012, 07:56 PM	#6
Erik Jones Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 61 Likes: 1 Liked 47 Times in 6 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads I think the rule is as clear as it can get. It has been clear for as long as the rule has been in place. The only problem is that it wasnt enforced. As a Stock & SuperStock cylinder head guy i think the rule needs to be taken as is and the subject needs to be dropped.NHRA has done there job on making this rule clear and now they just need to enforce it and stay within the guidlines and wording!!! Its pretty cut and dry guys. No Disrespect to anyone but lets move on and let the chips fall where they may! __________________ Erik Jones

11-22-2012, 07:25 AM	#7
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads Thats exactly the response I would expect from a head porter, the only ones to gain anything in this. I like to figure where the chips will fall before someone knocks the pile over As Jeff Teuton has stated, NHRA has not enforced this rule for too long. You can't tell everyone running RB, CW, MCH or VED heads that they are illegal now. You need new heads. This is why I tried to difuse this fire before it escalated into this. If your VC threads are cut into on the intake side, your sh!ts illegal… I know someone with 2 AH cars, selling 4 AH engines. Suddenly all your sh!ts illegal! And it goes past AH. I know of a fast SS/DA car out in washington state. Bam- your sh!ts illegal. Spend $20k+ per engine to add .020 to .125" to the intake face. And as far as the valvetrain stabilizer, CW already had it figured what he needs to do to move those internal. Just send $ The other problem is where would all the new castings come from for all the heads to be replaced. Thats alot of heads. I have 3 sets of castings new in boxes. Maybe I am wrong with my $20k cyl head legalizing. What r new castings worth now? $$$. And as stated earlier, my SS/DA stuff is legal to the rules. I have 4 sets VED (the most conservative of the bunch) and one set of RB Oval in my shop, so I kind of have a stake in this and something to lose/gain also. The rule needs to be addressed and we all move on I agree. Telling everyone suddenly the parts you have been running for the last five to ten years is now illegal is not the answer. Can you say Class Killer… On this Thanksgiving Day I am very thankful for SS/AH and dont want to see it die a slow agonizing death. I just hope NHRA agrees

11-20-2012, 07:03 AM	#9
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads Yes, thats the old Bob Reed/ Parham, O.D. Powell/ Bucky Hess/ Marvel Cuda. For the eliminator, not the shoot outs, LOL! And Chuck, PM sent

11-20-2012, 10:33 AM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: superstock hemi heads The drama continues. Just how much can be relocated on a motor. Just how much can be relocated on a car. Just how much can be relocated on your wallet or purse. NHRA shares some of the blame here. It was allowed to get out of bounds, but in NHRA's defense, it is like trying to ride a bull without a rope. People been relocating stuff on the Darts and Cuda's for most of my adult life, and I'm 69 going on 92. So what you have is a Pro Stock car wrapped in a 68 Cuda or Dart. For Indy the few that get in have already worn out their stuff on class. I know at some races, the AH guys are asked if they are going to run or not during the eliminator. Then you got 482 byes, or maybe 29. Depends. If a list was started of the things allowed were started today, Pomona would get here first. Might be a winter project for the forum, keep your mind fresh, and your concentration up for stuff you might like to relocate on your Pure Stocker. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK