Misconception on a slow stocker winning

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh

Look at the finals of the Div. 7 National open Angelo Phillips and myself, the two slowest cars in the field, and we were in the finals !!!! GO SLOW CARS !!!!

x 2 for, and congrats to both of you!!!

[Mark Yacavone]

18 cars left in Stock > Seven 9 sec. cars , nine 10 sec. cars , one 11.0 car, and one 11.80 car.. Oh well

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Kevin Zaskowski

Wrong, 16 cars left here at Indy.

Okay,so I was half asleep last night..
Correction for Kevin Zaskowski : nine 10's, five 9's, two 11's
And so, does this make the point any different now?
BTW, good luck to Kevin Zaskowski, who's still in with only SIXTEEN cars, in case you didn't know it.

[cicero819]

congratulation to Paul Wong u/sa -1.550
for #1 qualifier at the U.S. National
Unfortunately the higher class were dominant in elimination, my original question was answered. Maybe I can talk Larry Hill to rent me his truck since he's not using it. Claude

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by cicero819

congratulation to Paul Wong u/sa -1.550
for #1 qualifier at the U.S. National
Unfortunately the higher class were dominant in elimination, my original question was answered. Claude

That's too bad, but speed cost money, and those obviously with the most money also had the bargaining power over how Stock Eliminator at Indy is run (with the recent year qualifying changes, that now could allow a whole class of similar cars to race just because they all are amongst the quickest 128....what happended to the so-called diversity of Stock Eliminator? Not becoming so at this race)!

This underscores the reason I'll likely not race Indy in the forseeable future (if ever), because I won't go there just to try to win class (especially with this flippin' joke of a runoff system for single class entries, since it cater's to the quickest vehicles against their index, instead of the former system, that worked great and was fair to all stocker racers regardless of class), no if I can't afford to make my car run at least .8 under the DF/S index, then it's a waste of my time, meager money, and wear and tear on my equipment to even try to participate in the event! Racing for class has become a joke (for single class racers who even run .7 under their indexes), so if I can't have a good shot of qualifying for the new quickest under the index system, then I'll go to races with smaller turnouts, where that isn't an issue (like one of the other national events offered during the season, where everyone who attends gets to race in the first round)!!! My .02

p.s. It's been a while since I've posted here, and there may be some who're greatful for my abscence, but to those of you who think that way...BOO HOOOOOOO, because I wasn't going to let this topic go without my heartfelt reply from a racer who's not swimming in money to race a car nearly 2x's as fast as the one I have (even if I did have that kind of money I probably wouldn't...unless I could buy/own/race a Hemi Dart, Savoy, Coronet, or Belvedere, but I'd still race my Z24, because I like the challenge, and the low maintenance costs....

[Harry 6674]

I would imagine your happy you didn't race when you had to win class to race in the eliminator? I think it was way more fun and I wasn't one of the fast guys. It was fun to run off the record, you were always working on your junk. I would say now a days with the check book racers it could be very expensive.

[Ed Wright]

It was a blast to take a week's vacation to buy fuel, hotel rooms, drive to Pomona for the Winter Nats, loose class, then get to go back home. Still liked running off records.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Harry 6674

I would imagine your happy you didn't race when you had to win class to race in the eliminator? I think it was way more fun and I wasn't one of the fast guys. It was fun to run off the record, you were always working on your junk. I would say now a days with the check book racers it could be very expensive.

Actually Harry, I wanted to be able to race when I'd have to win class to race in the eliminator, because in most cases I'd only have to win one race since there (in most of their recent races), was only one other DF/S car I'd have to compete against, and although I may have been .2 slower than my possible opponent, I could've gotten the same luck as that SS/AH car who should've been spanked by a Cuda that was nearly .2 quicker last week? I agree with you "THAT WAY", "was way more fun", and I'd have rooted for you more because you weren't "one of the fast guys"!

Many say that change is good...well in this case I'll agree to disagree with that, because it keeps check book racers from being able to race the big go, and have the same chance at running in the show this weekend as those bigger budgeted racers....our sport should be doing more to attract more racers, not deter prospective racers away....

BTW, thanks Harry, Ed, & Jeff, for your thoughts too, because I wish I could've gotten into class racing and had a chance to run off the record to win class. Moreover, I wish I could've raced in stock when it was more stock like, than many of todays stockers are (which are more super stock like than even they were just 30yrs ago)....

Jeff, I'm glad you like the Darts too, because I sure was rooting for one of them to win SS/AH this year, and Jim Daniels nearly pulled it off. Every year I'll either root Pancake's car, or now Daniels' car, and he nearly did what "Larry the Cable Guy" would always say..."get 'er done"! Great effort though Jim!!!

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

That's too bad, but speed cost money, and those obviously with the most money also had the bargaining power over how Stock Eliminator at Indy is run (with the recent year qualifying changes, that now could allow a whole class of similar cars to race just because they all are amongst the quickest 128....what happended to the so-called diversity of Stock Eliminator? Not becoming so at this race)!

This underscores the reason I'll likely not race Indy in the forseeable future (if ever), because I won't go there just to try to win class (especially with this flippin' joke of a runoff system for single class entries, since it cater's to the quickest vehicles against their index, instead of the former system, that worked great and was fair to all stocker racers regardless of class), no if I can't afford to make my car run at least .8 under the DF/S index, then it's a waste of my time, meager money, and wear and tear on my equipment to even try to participate in the event! Racing for class has become a joke (for single class racers who even run .7 under their indexes), so if I can't have a good shot of qualifying for the new quickest under the index system, then I'll go to races with smaller turnouts, where that isn't an issue (like one of the other national events offered during the season, where everyone who attends gets to race in the first round)!!! My .02

p.s. It's been a while since I've posted here, and there may be some who're greatful for my abscence, but to those of you who think that way...BOO HOOOOOOO, because I wasn't going to let this topic go without my heartfelt reply from a racer who's not swimming in money to race a car nearly 2x's as fast as the one I have (even if I did have that kind of money I probably wouldn't...unless I could buy/own/race a Hemi Dart, Savoy, Coronet, or Belvedere, but I'd still race my Z24, because I like the challenge, and the low maintenance costs....

Gary, most people respect your views and opinion and the small independent racer is the back bone of NHRA, too bad they don't remember where they came from. Hemi Dart would be nice. Claude