Fuel check question - Page 3

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-03-2012, 02:34 PM

Travis, thanks for that post only got warned once about my fuel, so I brought my jug to have tested. Kinda felt a bit stupid doing it that way but the official never said a word, checked my gas and gave me the thumbs up. I've met several racers who had issues race after race they only cured their issues up by switching fuels. Your results may vary. Joe

Phillip marvetz · 07-03-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

And for those that didn't read the Atlanta thread, beware purchasing any 112 octane blue VP at your local bracket track. It's not on the approved fuels list, and it doesn't check as anything. The southeast VP rep said it is something they formulated that's "close" to Sunoco Blue, but a little different in this spec or that, and they just sell it to the bracket tracks. Why have a readily available fuel and not have it on the list?

I've been wondering why the VP110 isn't on the accepted fuel list, There is a significant difference in cost. Maybe Travis could ask them to help us out?

Signman · 07-03-2012, 04:27 PM

There is nothing wrong with Sunoco Race fuel.
Purple can be a little inconsistent due to wide tolerance in processing. Blue and up are very consistent in production.

Some say other brand fuel is faster but that depends on number of things.

Have run Sunoco purple in my cars for years, blue last season becuase of ease of availability to me and cost. Have had issues with fuel check on and off for years. Had a big deal at Englishtown points meet 2011 have had enough of that.

As I said the fuel is good, the culprit is how the fuel is handled before getting in the hands of the racer. It's not a national problem.

The safe way is to install a fuel cell (PIA), buy fresh fuel at the track when racing NHRA. If the fuel being sold during the race is bad it's not the racers' problem.

Andys dad · 07-03-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Miller

Fuels that lose their light end chemicals can read the same as fuels that have had extra oxygenators "added to enhance the fuel". Since the meter reading goes in the same direction for lost light end chemicals as well as for added oxygenators, when the reading gets outside the allowable parameters, the fuel fails.

Travis do you remember a single case in stock or super stock where you actually believe there were extra oxygenators added to enhance the fuel?

For what purpose - win a heads up race - capture #1 qualifier spot

It is obvious the intent of the testing and the equipment needs to be brought up to date

It seems it only causes needless heartache, grief and work - as well as expenses to the racers

Actually you are accusing a racer of cheating - if the test is accurately finding oxygenators - if it is not CHANGE the fricking test - how many years must this go on

Ron

Signman · 07-03-2012, 04:38 PM

Hey does anyone remember when fuel check became mandatory for stock and super stock?

Dave Turner · 07-03-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Where would I find one of these fuel valves?

I'm using Aeromotive #15631 in the new car....

Travis Miller · 07-03-2012, 04:52 PM

A fuel sample valve can be found at Jegs, Summit, etc.

For info on racing fuels stability, do some research at the fuel brand websites.

If we were to change the test level from the halfway point to 3/4 way, that might help some who have old fuel but it would also give more leeway to anyone looking to enhance their fuel.

VP110 was on the accepted list a few years ago but has since been removed. I do not know why.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Travis Miller · 07-03-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

Travis do you remember a single case in stock or super stock where you actually believe there were extra oxygenators added to enhance the fuel?

For what purpose - win a heads up race - capture #1 qualifier spot

It is obvious the intent of the testing and the equipment needs to be brought up to date

It seems it only causes needless heartache, grief and work - as well as expenses to the racers

Actually you are accusing a racer of cheating - if the test is accurately finding oxygenators - if it is not CHANGE the fricking test - how many years must this go on

Ron

The testing procedure does not need to be changed. It is working very well because a very, very high percentage of racers pass.

And yes I can remember when a racer added an oxygenator to the fuel. We still have the same test today to catch it and the test does work.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Andys dad · 07-03-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

The testing procedure does not need to be changed. It is working very well because a very, very high percentage of racers pass.

And yes I can remember when a racer added an oxygenator to the fuel. We still have the same test today to catch it and the test does work.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

So typical

Enough said -- "a racer"

Why do people need to improve performance in a dial in race?

No need to change - it has been this way for years and it only screws up a small number of times every weekend

OK got it

Sorry for the "fricking"

We cured ours with C-25 - the fuel test guys recommend it and say it is more stable and always passes

I forget is that what Pro Stock uses? just kidding - at least they never have an issue

Ron

Mike Croley · 07-03-2012, 05:32 PM

Racing gasoline is a pretty consistent product , but there are a number of factors that will cause you to be bounced in tech .
Some of those factors are exposure to the atmosphere because of a poor fitting cap on the drum , jug , or fuel cell/fuel tank . Storing the race gas in extreme heat or cold will cause problems . Storing race gas in containers that previously held a different product , even if it was race gas will often get you bounced . Topping off the container of one brand or octane with a different brand or octane can cause problems .
The NHRA Fuel regs are simply an enforcement tool to try and keep the racing field level .
There is testing equipment that the racer can buy . In fact you can purchase the very same units NHRA uses , but they aren't cheap . And more importantly , your test results won't make any difference to the tech man , it's his equipment and his test that he goes by .
The best recommendation to avoid problems is to use fresh race gas , buy it from a reliable source , and take every precaution when you take a sample up to tech to be sure it's well sealed , and kept completely out of the sunlight .
The entire line of Renegade leaded racing fuels are on the accepted list for NHRA .

07-03-2012, 02:34 PM	#21
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Travis, thanks for that post only got warned once about my fuel, so I brought my jug to have tested. Kinda felt a bit stupid doing it that way but the official never said a word, checked my gas and gave me the thumbs up. I've met several racers who had issues race after race they only cured their issues up by switching fuels. Your results may vary. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-03-2012, 04:27 PM	#23
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Fuel check question There is nothing wrong with Sunoco Race fuel. Purple can be a little inconsistent due to wide tolerance in processing. Blue and up are very consistent in production. Some say other brand fuel is faster but that depends on number of things. Have run Sunoco purple in my cars for years, blue last season becuase of ease of availability to me and cost. Have had issues with fuel check on and off for years. Had a big deal at Englishtown points meet 2011 have had enough of that. As I said the fuel is good, the culprit is how the fuel is handled before getting in the hands of the racer. It's not a national problem. The safe way is to install a fuel cell (PIA), buy fresh fuel at the track when racing NHRA. If the fuel being sold during the race is bad it's not the racers' problem. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

07-03-2012, 04:38 PM	#25
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Hey does anyone remember when fuel check became mandatory for stock and super stock? __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

07-03-2012, 04:52 PM	#27
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Fuel check question A fuel sample valve can be found at Jegs, Summit, etc. For info on racing fuels stability, do some research at the fuel brand websites. If we were to change the test level from the halfway point to 3/4 way, that might help some who have old fuel but it would also give more leeway to anyone looking to enhance their fuel. VP110 was on the accepted list a few years ago but has since been removed. I do not know why. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

07-03-2012, 05:32 PM	#30
Mike Croley Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fuel check question Racing gasoline is a pretty consistent product , but there are a number of factors that will cause you to be bounced in tech . Some of those factors are exposure to the atmosphere because of a poor fitting cap on the drum , jug , or fuel cell/fuel tank . Storing the race gas in extreme heat or cold will cause problems . Storing race gas in containers that previously held a different product , even if it was race gas will often get you bounced . Topping off the container of one brand or octane with a different brand or octane can cause problems . The NHRA Fuel regs are simply an enforcement tool to try and keep the racing field level . There is testing equipment that the racer can buy . In fact you can purchase the very same units NHRA uses , but they aren't cheap . And more importantly , your test results won't make any difference to the tech man , it's his equipment and his test that he goes by . The best recommendation to avoid problems is to use fresh race gas , buy it from a reliable source , and take every precaution when you take a sample up to tech to be sure it's well sealed , and kept completely out of the sunlight . The entire line of Renegade leaded racing fuels are on the accepted list for NHRA . Last edited by Mike Croley; 07-03-2012 at 06:07 PM.