What's up with NHRA logic? - Page 6

danny waters sr · 03-03-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Ready for this, I did not want to bring this up, but here is what went down.
Talked to DD at Orlando. Said that this years GP's apply to next years requirements. That if I averaged the last 3 years, 2-2-1, it would average to 5 divided by 3 = less than 2, since they round down it's only 1 GP. Told to contact Jennifer Gregg at NHRA. She informed me about the grade 2 situation upon the deadline. Saw the withdrawals and knew I could not get in, changed all the family plans, which is about 10 people. Decided to fully repair The Imperial Palace. Notice the other day that I had now 2 GP's from Orlando & Gville Divs. Knew they were for next year. Went into the national entry section and it allows me to enter the gators now because I have 2 GP's. WHAT! Too late, all plans were changed. From now on I will only trust what I read upon reading the grade point system as described in the grade point window, which only shows if you have a grade point. It is only updated after about a 2 week period after you renew your membership and Comp #. Before that I could not view such information. This has been an adventure. Sure wish I could have just entered at the gate.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA not overjoyed

So I am out this year, but maybe next year. I really like racing or I wouldn't put myself through this nonsense.

you are right "nonsense"...Glad i don't have to go through that stress to get someone to take my money.....lol

Jim Wahl · 03-03-2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Ready for this, I did not want to bring this up, but here is what went down.
Talked to DD at Orlando. Said that this years GP's apply to next years requirements. That if I averaged the last 3 years, 2-2-1, it would average to 5 divided by 3 = less than 2, since they round down it's only 1 GP. Told to contact Jennifer Gregg at NHRA. She informed me about the grade 2 situation upon the deadline. Saw the withdrawals and knew I could not get in, changed all the family plans, which is about 10 people. Decided to fully repair The Imperial Palace. Notice the other day that I had now 2 GP's from Orlando & Gville Divs. Knew they were for next year. Went into the national entry section and it allows me to enter the gators now because I have 2 GP's. WHAT! Too late, all plans were changed. From now on I will only trust what I read upon reading the grade point system as described in the grade point window, which only shows if you have a grade point. It is only updated after about a 2 week period after you renew your membership and Comp #. Before that I could not view such information. This has been an adventure. Sure wish I could have just entered at the gate.

So I am out this year, but maybe next year. I really like racing or I wouldn't put myself through this nonsense.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA not overjoyed

IHRA allows you to enter at the gate! Jim

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Toby Lang · 03-04-2012, 12:16 AM

Well, since you're getting the Imperial Palace fully repaired, maybe you can go to Atlana or Charlotte this year.

-Toby

Ron Ortiz · 03-04-2012, 01:08 AM

Toby, would love to do that. But since the Imperial Palace gets a whopping 5 mpg, I need to win to break even. Atlanta is 1200 miles round trip. Lots of expense with fuel, entry, a paltry $160. 5 gal of VP finest @ $11.50, and the usual standards of living, fine dining, beverages, and the ever hidden fees. Doesn't make sense to me, but I chose this game, must be a mental thing.
For my situation, I need to keep close to home. Used to travel in a van and a short trailer, did all the stories that you've heard about. Do not want to do that anymore. Just want to race Stock and have a good time.

Well I am going back to the bonfire that we got going in the back yard. Just love it, bonfire and it's 80 degrees with a nice breeze.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA racing is fun

Lew Silverman · 03-04-2012, 01:20 AM

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Lew

philip miles · 03-04-2012, 07:15 PM

For the racers that can afford to travel the country and wait for a race to break out, you don't have a dog in this fight with NHRA on this subject. For the racers that have limited time and finances to sport a Stock Eliminator car, NHRA's policy on grade points is totally stupid. I could understand if the field was full with grade 2 racers and there aren't any open spots, that's the policy that I would understand. There are now 6 spots open for the Gator Nats in Stock, what is NHRA thinking not to let grade 1 racers to enter.
The people who run our sport in the offices of NHRA are not racers for sure. They are just pencil pushers with no common sence and just repeat what they are told to say! Can't think out of the box that makes business sence.
It's not the fault of the racer that NHRA can't keep tracks under their wing, it hurts the racer when a track changes associations because the issues that NHRA have with the tracks and doesn't care if they fix it. PBIR went IHRA because of the past D2 director, nobody stepped in from NHRA to see if they could fix the issues, instead the track was sent adrift. There are 5 tracks with in 100 miles from me, none are NHRA, closest is Orlando, 200 miles away. There are also no National opens anywhere in the D2 area, the one that I used to be able to go to was the old Moroso, now PBIR's Citrius Nats.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

RacingRicki · 03-04-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RacingRicki

I'd say that since we are now in the grade 1 window that grade 1 participants should be allowed. However, since it filled up at grade 2, it's only fair to allow other grade 2 racers to enter before opening it up to grade 1 racers.

The question is how long should the other grade 2 racers have to sign up (after the withdrawls). What if the withdrawls happened the day before the grade 1 date. That only gives other grade 2's a day to find out there is room and sign up before grade 1 racers get to enter.

Ron - Just to clarify, I was talking about a hypothetical situation where NHRA should let grade 1 racers enter after the withdrawls but maybe not immediately.

Grade points don't add up between different years. They take the highest grade between last year and the current year (as you now know).

Here is a link to the grade point policy in case anyone wants the offical word on the matter.

http://www.nhra.net/apcm/templates/n...=2537&zoneid=8

philip miles · 03-05-2012, 12:48 PM

Josh: Reading the guide lines is like school yard mentality, other people make commitments that they can't follow up on, so other people get punished for that behavior.
Philip Casey Miles
248H
283768

Josh is the NHRA competion administrators.

I get the logic now, punish the racer who wants to go to a race and do nothing to the people who make commitments that aren't reallized. That makes all the business sence in the world. The people who withdrew should loose their entry fees if this is the business solution that NHRA is following!

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock?

Bruce Noland · 03-05-2012, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philip miles

Josh: Reading the guide lines is like school yard mentality, other people make commitments that they can't follow up on, so other people get punished for that behavior.
Philip Casey Miles
248H
283768

Josh is the NHRA competion administrators.

I get the logic now, punish the racer who wants to go to a race and do nothing to the people who make commitments that aren't reallized. That makes all the business sence in the world. The people who withdrew should loose their entry fees if this is the business solution that NHRA is following!

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock?

You need to grow up. Racers do not enter races with the intention of withdrawing at the last moment just to send immature brats into tantrums. I was one of the last to withdraw from this race because, after final prep of my little rig, I returned home to find a very dear family member in the throes of a medical emergency. Thoughts of racing vanish in these situations. It's really hard for me to ever feel sorry for nhra but this thread is mostly about adults behaving like children and I mean pre-schoolers.

philip miles · 03-05-2012, 05:31 PM

Bruce, I feel bad that you had a medical issue arise, by your number I can tell you are from D1, I used to race in D1. No problem getting to D1 races and I think you have 2 or 3 National events with in a 200 mile radius. But down here there are no NHRA tracks within 200 miles, I played their games with getting a grade point to race at the Gator's, it was a hardship for me to even get to the Orlando D2 race.
If NHRA kept everyone's entry money who withdrew and closed the event, fine. But everone who withdraws gets their money towards another national event and the racers who only have one shot at a national event which is the 2nd closest race, 300 miles, gets locked out.
The people who are in charge are not racers, never even owned a race cars, what are they doing in the NHRA? I'm here with my $250 wanting to enter, they wouldn't take it because of a policy that was probably procured before the recession and now is a business error. 8 withdrawalls equals $2000 in entry fees that NHRA lost. Who need's a degree to figure that out?
I'm no school kid, just a racer wanting to race!!
Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

03-04-2012, 12:16 AM	#53
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Well, since you're getting the Imperial Palace fully repaired, maybe you can go to Atlana or Charlotte this year. -Toby

03-04-2012, 01:08 AM	#54
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Toby, would love to do that. But since the Imperial Palace gets a whopping 5 mpg, I need to win to break even. Atlanta is 1200 miles round trip. Lots of expense with fuel, entry, a paltry $160. 5 gal of VP finest @ $11.50, and the usual standards of living, fine dining, beverages, and the ever hidden fees. Doesn't make sense to me, but I chose this game, must be a mental thing. For my situation, I need to keep close to home. Used to travel in a van and a short trailer, did all the stories that you've heard about. Do not want to do that anymore. Just want to race Stock and have a good time. Well I am going back to the bonfire that we got going in the back yard. Just love it, bonfire and it's 80 degrees with a nice breeze. Ron Ortiz U/SA racing is fun __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

03-04-2012, 01:20 AM	#55
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? .................... Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA Last edited by Lew Silverman; 03-04-2012 at 01:44 AM.

03-04-2012, 07:15 PM	#56
philip miles Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? For the racers that can afford to travel the country and wait for a race to break out, you don't have a dog in this fight with NHRA on this subject. For the racers that have limited time and finances to sport a Stock Eliminator car, NHRA's policy on grade points is totally stupid. I could understand if the field was full with grade 2 racers and there aren't any open spots, that's the policy that I would understand. There are now 6 spots open for the Gator Nats in Stock, what is NHRA thinking not to let grade 1 racers to enter. The people who run our sport in the offices of NHRA are not racers for sure. They are just pencil pushers with no common sence and just repeat what they are told to say! Can't think out of the box that makes business sence. It's not the fault of the racer that NHRA can't keep tracks under their wing, it hurts the racer when a track changes associations because the issues that NHRA have with the tracks and doesn't care if they fix it. PBIR went IHRA because of the past D2 director, nobody stepped in from NHRA to see if they could fix the issues, instead the track was sent adrift. There are 5 tracks with in 100 miles from me, none are NHRA, closest is Orlando, 200 miles away. There are also no National opens anywhere in the D2 area, the one that I used to be able to go to was the old Moroso, now PBIR's Citrius Nats. Casey Miles 248H Stock?

03-05-2012, 12:48 PM	#58
philip miles Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Josh: Reading the guide lines is like school yard mentality, other people make commitments that they can't follow up on, so other people get punished for that behavior. Philip Casey Miles 248H 283768 Josh is the NHRA competion administrators. I get the logic now, punish the racer who wants to go to a race and do nothing to the people who make commitments that aren't reallized. That makes all the business sence in the world. The people who withdrew should loose their entry fees if this is the business solution that NHRA is following! Casey Miles 248H "F" NHRA Stock?

03-05-2012, 05:31 PM	#60
philip miles Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Bruce, I feel bad that you had a medical issue arise, by your number I can tell you are from D1, I used to race in D1. No problem getting to D1 races and I think you have 2 or 3 National events with in a 200 mile radius. But down here there are no NHRA tracks within 200 miles, I played their games with getting a grade point to race at the Gator's, it was a hardship for me to even get to the Orlando D2 race. If NHRA kept everyone's entry money who withdrew and closed the event, fine. But everone who withdraws gets their money towards another national event and the racers who only have one shot at a national event which is the 2nd closest race, 300 miles, gets locked out. The people who are in charge are not racers, never even owned a race cars, what are they doing in the NHRA? I'm here with my $250 wanting to enter, they wouldn't take it because of a policy that was probably procured before the recession and now is a business error. 8 withdrawalls equals $2000 in entry fees that NHRA lost. Who need's a degree to figure that out? I'm no school kid, just a racer wanting to race!! Casey Miles 248H "F" NHRA Stock