What's up with NHRA logic?

Jack Matyas · 03-02-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

It's the NHRA trying to tell you where you can race and if you don't cooperate you don't get to race at all.

Grade points are only a way for the NHRA to make money at member tracks.

JimR

Jim - Read what you are saying - its their job to keep control of the entries - look at the IHRA - they never know how many are going to show up .How could you properly staff a race like Indy when you haven't a clue who will show up at the gate ?

BTW , grade points are not given at all member tracks just the ones who host Lucas Oil races and National Opens .Another fact about them is that almost all are losers financially - ask any track operator .

Casey Miles · 03-02-2012, 09:19 AM

Talk about member tracks, down here all the tracks used to be NHRA, Now they are IHRA, my closest track to me is Orlando, 200 miles away. Who's fault is it that that the tracks go to another association? Not the racer! We used to have a national open at the old Moroso, (grade point) now there is nothing in the area. There are 5 tracks down here and all are IHRA.
I want to participate at the NHRA and do my best with limited time to do so. Since I got layed off from my job of 24 years, and started with a new job, there is no vacation time to just go to the points races that are 300 to 750 miles away.

There are still some racers out here with limited buggets and very limited time but still want to participate.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

James Perrone · 03-02-2012, 09:33 AM

Rules is rules... Go bracket racing..Right?
Wait till Etown National .I have 5 grade might not get in closest track for me
I will show them [nhra] I will go to 4 wide North Carolina
Also by next week former world champs will enter.It will fill up.
There are other options.Also saw your old photos on YB..the camaro was fast back then

Bob Don · 03-02-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone

Rules is rules... Go bracket racing..Right?
Wait till Etown National .I have 5 grade might not get in closest track for me
I will show them [nhra] I will go to 4 wide North Carolina
Also by next week former world champs will enter.It will fill up.
There are other options.Also saw your old photos on YB..the camaro was fast back then

I'm with you, James. I want to enter Supernats but with a grade 4, I might be on the outside looking in. Needing grade points to enter a national is nothing new. When I started racing in the mid 70s, the division office would send you a request sheet for the national events you wanted to enter. You checked off the races and they sent you back the applications. These application forms had the number of division races you attended in the corner.

1320racer · 03-02-2012, 09:58 AM

just another example of the many in this country that feel they are ENTITLED to a good paying job, medical coverage, a house, a new car, paid vacation and now entry into a national event have the soialist mentality where everyone is equal and hard work, dedication, commitment means nothing.

Lew Silverman · 03-02-2012, 09:27 AM

So let's ask ourselves - Why is there a quota system at all? The reason I hear most often is that there is limited parking area in the pits at most events, so they (NHRA) have to restrict entries to a manageable level. True?

The only other reason I can see for mandating a quota is that they need to print an entry list for the event program! How would it look if you just showed up?

Lew

Dwight Southerland · 03-02-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Jim - Read what you are saying - its their job to keep control of the entries - look at the IHRA - they never know how many are going to show up .How could you properly staff a race like Indy when you haven't a clue who will show up at the gate ?

Jack, there's another way to look at it. It's NHRA's job to hold races and insure the races are run safely, consistently and orderly. If you think that means "control of the entries", so be it. They ran races for years quite successfully without knowing who or how many would show up. I can still remember when you could purchase an entry to a national event at the gate. I also remember over 600 stock, super stock and modified entries at Indy. It's about control and money - your money.

Jack Matyas · 03-02-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Jack, there's another way to look at it. It's NHRA's job to hold races and insure the races are run safely, consistently and orderly. If you think that means "control of the entries", so be it. They ran races for years quite successfully without knowing who or how many would show up. I can still remember when you could purchase an entry to a national event at the gate. I also remember over 600 stock, super stock and modified entries at Indy. It's about control and money - your money.

Dwight - You have some valid points - they did run things differently back in the Seventies - we even got a Sunday morning time shot .But today fitting six hundred entries is hard - we now tow with motorhomes and have stackers in that space - not to mention the Pro's (ala John Force types with plenty of sponsor rigs ) - we just don't fit in the same space we once did .

Yes , its about control - but remember - its their bat and ball we're playing with .

Billy Nees · 03-02-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Yes , its about control - but remember - its their bat and ball we're playing with .

Jack, just don't forget that each membership and every entry fee helps pay for the upkeep and their ability to have "their bat and ball"!

Casey Miles · 03-02-2012, 11:13 AM

If I didn't have a grade point, this link would have even been opened. But, the entry level should be at 1 grade point and because of BS rule put into place by who knows, NHRA will not allow me to get an entry. I've been raceing Stock since 1974, holding a NHRA memebership and comp number, NHRA doesn't give a s**t!

James: My car was the s**t back in the day. That was with a Muncie trans and stock valve springs. 98 lbs on the seat and 206 open lbs. With all the new stuff, I haven't seen much improvement, but I'm getting old too.

03-02-2012, 09:19 AM	#2
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 507 Times in 92 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Talk about member tracks, down here all the tracks used to be NHRA, Now they are IHRA, my closest track to me is Orlando, 200 miles away. Who's fault is it that that the tracks go to another association? Not the racer! We used to have a national open at the old Moroso, (grade point) now there is nothing in the area. There are 5 tracks down here and all are IHRA. I want to participate at the NHRA and do my best with limited time to do so. Since I got layed off from my job of 24 years, and started with a new job, there is no vacation time to just go to the points races that are 300 to 750 miles away. There are still some racers out here with limited buggets and very limited time but still want to participate. Casey Miles 248H Stock?

03-02-2012, 09:33 AM	#3
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,681 Likes: 3,388 Liked 1,828 Times in 427 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? Rules is rules... Go bracket racing..Right? Wait till Etown National .I have 5 grade might not get in closest track for me I will show them [nhra] I will go to 4 wide North Carolina Also by next week former world champs will enter.It will fill up. There are other options.Also saw your old photos on YB..the camaro was fast back then __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

03-02-2012, 09:58 AM	#5
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? just another example of the many in this country that feel they are ENTITLED to a good paying job, medical coverage, a house, a new car, paid vacation and now entry into a national event have the soialist mentality where everyone is equal and hard work, dedication, commitment means nothing.

03-02-2012, 09:27 AM	#6
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? So let's ask ourselves - Why is there a quota system at all? The reason I hear most often is that there is limited parking area in the pits at most events, so they (NHRA) have to restrict entries to a manageable level. True? The only other reason I can see for mandating a quota is that they need to print an entry list for the event program! How would it look if you just showed up? Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

03-02-2012, 11:13 AM	#10
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 507 Times in 92 Posts	Re: What's up with NHRA logic? If I didn't have a grade point, this link would have even been opened. But, the entry level should be at 1 grade point and because of BS rule put into place by who knows, NHRA will not allow me to get an entry. I've been raceing Stock since 1974, holding a NHRA memebership and comp number, NHRA doesn't give a st! James: My car was the st back in the day. That was with a Muncie trans and stock valve springs. 98 lbs on the seat and 206 open lbs. With all the new stuff, I haven't seen much improvement, but I'm getting old too.