Really national dragster? - Page 2

Don Kennedy · 02-10-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by norm saibene

john force he getting old tired of seeing him and schumacher in dragster seems like there in every one they need to have more sportsman racers in dragster,

It is funny that you mentioned this. The majority of paying customers are sportsman for the companies who advertise in Dragster yet the magazine carters to the pros >wow if it were me and I were in charge I would have the majority catering to the Sportsman . I told this To Phil Burgess about 15 years ago but nothing has changed LOL at my age

Lew Silverman · 02-10-2012, 09:12 AM

Has NOBODY been paying attention? Whether you like it or not, the National Hot Rod Association is a business, and on the national level, that business is bringing fans (customers) through the gate! They do that by promoting the classes most people want to see, and that's the one's that burn NITROMETHANE. Anything that they can do to increase the number of fans (customers) who buy tickets and pay for parking and T-shirts and souvenirs is smart business! They're making money for somebody! John Force and his team bring a lot of business to the NHRA, so who wouldn't put them upfront?

Sad to say, the Sportsman racer and fans are the minority when it comes to the NHRA's business model. If the race promoter's could figure out how to fill the down-time between the rounds of the Pro classes with some other form of entertainment, we'd be replaced! NASCAR did it with their 3 classes and there's no national exposure for any of their local sportsman racers. But the fan's (customer's) keep coming back for more!

Rich Biebel · 02-10-2012, 11:36 AM

Marketing......period.

Same as NASCAR.....Danica Patrick.....

Promote a good looking woman in a male dominated sport. Gets the ladies interested.....hopefully brings in more sales and interest.

Or how about promoting some dude that will do anything/drive anything/ jump off anything....
Travis Pastrana.....attract the younger crowd.....

Without the Force Circus.........NHRA has almost no show anymore....

Alan Roehrich · 02-10-2012, 11:42 AM

Of all the things you could rip NHRA a new one for, putting a Force on the cover of the Dragster has to rank way low on the list. I could think of two dozen things that actually matter above that with no effort at all.

Dwight Southerland · 02-10-2012, 12:07 PM

Do you think NHRA's offices being in CA were ever influenced by Hollywood? Similar mentality to a "reality show". Nobody will pay to see true reality; it's what we see every day of our life. People pay to see what they wish their reality could be. NHRA sells dreams, fantasies, thrills . . . cheap thrills at that. You can buy what NHRA sells, but it won't last.

The honor, respect, acheivement, integrity, etc. that racers wish was still prevalent in sportsman racing is what lasts. It comes with a high price too, but its not dollars and cents. What you see on that cover is dollars and cents masquerading as virtue.

tim worner · 02-10-2012, 01:00 PM

Yet when National Dragster did a survey on the most popular eliminator a couple of years ago, it was Super Stock.

Jim Kaekel · 02-10-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

The honor, respect, acheivement, integrity, etc. that racers wish was still prevalent in sportsman racing is what lasts. It comes with a high price too, but its not dollars and cents. What you see on that cover is dollars and cents masquerading as virtue.

Very well said, Dwight. That is one of the best statements I have read on this site and couldn't agree more.

Don Fardie · 02-10-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

Very well said, Dwight. That is one of the best statements I have read on this site and couldn't agree more.

I second that .........It’s amazing with everything I’ve read, he was never around when they were kids growing up, but now that there is revenue gain associated with them……..come to Papa. If anything ever happens to this empire, National Dragster will be down to 6 pages long.

tommycarl · 02-10-2012, 06:29 PM

i can't stand john force! i love it when force cars go out in eliminations. the trouble is espn still interviews this blowhard as if he's got anything relavent to say.and while we're at it i can't stand "the sarge" either. hey tony, you want to be a sarge, enlist! espn needs to showcase sportsman racing the way diamond p did in the 80's. all you get now is tad and tafc.

Dennis P Chapman · 02-10-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tommycarl

i can't stand john force! i love it when force cars go out in eliminations. the trouble is espn still interviews this blowhard as if he's got anything relavent to say.and while we're at it i can't stand "the sarge" either. hey tony, you want to be a sarge, enlist! espn needs to showcase sportsman racing the way diamond p did in the 80's. all you get now is tad and tafc.

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02-10-2012, 09:12 AM	#12
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? Has NOBODY been paying attention? Whether you like it or not, the National Hot Rod Association is a business, and on the national level, that business is bringing fans (customers) through the gate! They do that by promoting the classes most people want to see, and that's the one's that burn NITROMETHANE. Anything that they can do to increase the number of fans (customers) who buy tickets and pay for parking and T-shirts and souvenirs is smart business! They're making money for somebody! John Force and his team bring a lot of business to the NHRA, so who wouldn't put them upfront? Sad to say, the Sportsman racer and fans are the minority when it comes to the NHRA's business model. If the race promoter's could figure out how to fill the down-time between the rounds of the Pro classes with some other form of entertainment, we'd be replaced! NASCAR did it with their 3 classes and there's no national exposure for any of their local sportsman racers. But the fan's (customer's) keep coming back for more! __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

02-10-2012, 11:36 AM	#13
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,315 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? Marketing......period. Same as NASCAR.....Danica Patrick..... Promote a good looking woman in a male dominated sport. Gets the ladies interested.....hopefully brings in more sales and interest. Or how about promoting some dude that will do anything/drive anything/ jump off anything.... Travis Pastrana.....attract the younger crowd..... Without the Force Circus.........NHRA has almost no show anymore.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

02-10-2012, 11:42 AM	#14
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,118 Likes: 1,577 Liked 1,837 Times in 417 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? Of all the things you could rip NHRA a new one for, putting a Force on the cover of the Dragster has to rank way low on the list. I could think of two dozen things that actually matter above that with no effort at all. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

02-10-2012, 12:07 PM	#15
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? Do you think NHRA's offices being in CA were ever influenced by Hollywood? Similar mentality to a "reality show". Nobody will pay to see true reality; it's what we see every day of our life. People pay to see what they wish their reality could be. NHRA sells dreams, fantasies, thrills . . . cheap thrills at that. You can buy what NHRA sells, but it won't last. The honor, respect, acheivement, integrity, etc. that racers wish was still prevalent in sportsman racing is what lasts. It comes with a high price too, but its not dollars and cents. What you see on that cover is dollars and cents masquerading as virtue.

02-10-2012, 01:00 PM	#16
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? Yet when National Dragster did a survey on the most popular eliminator a couple of years ago, it was Super Stock. __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

02-10-2012, 06:29 PM	#19
tommycarl Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: enfield ct Posts: 39 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Really national dragster? i can't stand john force! i love it when force cars go out in eliminations. the trouble is espn still interviews this blowhard as if he's got anything relavent to say.and while we're at it i can't stand "the sarge" either. hey tony, you want to be a sarge, enlist! espn needs to showcase sportsman racing the way diamond p did in the 80's. all you get now is tad and tafc.