Cdl ?

Rob Petrie E395 · 01-31-2012, 10:40 PM

I let someone use my Crew cab dually and 44'GN Haulmark to take thier cdl test (truck 12K gvw Trailer 21K gvw). He could not do the air brake part so he ended up with a class A license without air brake endosement. Then he went back with a dump truck that he borrowed from someone else and they just made him do the pretrip and written test for the air brake endorsement. I just added doubles/triples. Hazmat and tanks to mine so I can haul fertlizer and they just made me take the written tests and back ground stuff for the Hazmat. Here in the great state of Illinois it makes no sense how and why they decide when you do skills tests and when you dont. So the short awnser is no you dont need a semi to get it here. As for if you need it or not. If you are able to get it, get it. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. My Toter is regestered RV but I will not let anyone drive it without a cdl. I figure if we get any crap about regestered RV we can always say we are legal to drive a semi anyways because of our class A cdl and medical card. Where as if they give us a hard time and we dont have a cdl they will hit me twice as hard. By the way if you get busted without a cdl (in a truck that requires it)under federal law they can impose up to a 25,000 fine on the driver and up to 250,000 dollar fine on the owner of the truck.

voltdr · 02-14-2012, 09:55 AM

Bob,
I have been preparing for my CDL here in TX. After talking with the State Troopers, here are some of my findings.
1. In TX, your are required to have a CDL class B, for any single vehicle (no trailer) if the GVW is over 26,001#. even an RV.
2. If the combination of vehicles (truck and trailer) is rated over 26,001# then you are required a CDL class A.
3. If the trailer is over 10,000# you are required a CDL class A.
4. If the nature of what you are doing involves "commerce" you are required a CDL class A.
5. They define commerce as being any time you are being compensated for what you are doing. This is where we, as racers, get caught in the system because we race for money.
6. In TX, you can take your skills test in any vehicle that meets the criteria in item #2 above, as needing a CDL class A.
Hope this helps.
Dan

Bob Verwold · 02-14-2012, 10:55 AM

I'm still working on the book part.........LOL Harder than I thought.

Thanks for the input.

Phillip marvetz · 02-14-2012, 12:08 PM

And yes they do want you to have a DOT# also. Is your truck registered for the 38,000lbs total or more? If you get scaled they will want you licensed for more than your total weight.

Bob Verwold · 02-14-2012, 12:39 PM

[QUOTE=Phillip marvetz;309500]And yes they do want you to have a DOT# also. Is your truck registered for the 38,000lbs total or more? If you get scaled they will want you licensed for more than your total weight.

Your talking about the truck tags being 38,000 or more ? I took a weight slip for the truck and trailer to the DMV when I had it registered and it was 25,650 and I have tags for 26,000. But the GVW stickers are a total of 38,000 so what do ya go by..........This is where she told me I did NOT need a CDL .

I'm just about to the point that I should have stayed with my 24' and the dually............

C and W Racing · 02-14-2012, 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=voltdr;309481]Bob,
I5. They define commerce as being any time you are being compensated for what you are doing. This is where we, as racers, get caught in the system because we race for money.

The problem comes from if you claim the expences for tax purposes. If you don't claim expences, but show winnings as income and pay taxes on it, then there is no problem
Chuck

Phillip marvetz · 02-14-2012, 07:18 PM

25,650 is pretty close to the CDL limit. A full tank of fuel, A cooler full of goodies, A passenger and the dog and you could be in trouble. How often do you drive by a scale house and how lucky do you feel?

voltdr · 02-14-2012, 11:52 PM

[QUOTE=C and W Racing;309540]

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Originally Posted by voltdr

Bob,
I5. They define commerce as being any time you are being compensated for what you are doing. This is where we, as racers, get caught in the system because we race for money.

The problem comes from if you claim the expences for tax purposes. If you don't claim expences, but show winnings as income and pay taxes on it, then there is no problem
Chuck

Here is the real problem. How do you prove that on the side of the road, and the officer is telling you to park your rig until a licensed CDL-A driver arrives.

BlueOval Ralph · 02-16-2012, 03:50 PM

or if the unit Truck and or trailer are in the name of a bussiness

Tom Moock · 02-16-2012, 08:35 PM

Bob Verwold, They go by the GVW listed weight for the vehicles; truck and trailer, not what you have them license for, if over 26,000 you need CDL and log book, med. card, dot #, UCR # 300.00 fine. I got ticket in Ok. in my one ton truck for not stopping in scale, truck licensed for 10,000 pounds, sign showed truck over 10,000 pounds must weight but truck GVW is 11,800 pounds. Tom

01-31-2012, 10:40 PM	#1
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Cdl ? I let someone use my Crew cab dually and 44'GN Haulmark to take thier cdl test (truck 12K gvw Trailer 21K gvw). He could not do the air brake part so he ended up with a class A license without air brake endosement. Then he went back with a dump truck that he borrowed from someone else and they just made him do the pretrip and written test for the air brake endorsement. I just added doubles/triples. Hazmat and tanks to mine so I can haul fertlizer and they just made me take the written tests and back ground stuff for the Hazmat. Here in the great state of Illinois it makes no sense how and why they decide when you do skills tests and when you dont. So the short awnser is no you dont need a semi to get it here. As for if you need it or not. If you are able to get it, get it. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. My Toter is regestered RV but I will not let anyone drive it without a cdl. I figure if we get any crap about regestered RV we can always say we are legal to drive a semi anyways because of our class A cdl and medical card. Where as if they give us a hard time and we dont have a cdl they will hit me twice as hard. By the way if you get busted without a cdl (in a truck that requires it)under federal law they can impose up to a 25,000 fine on the driver and up to 250,000 dollar fine on the owner of the truck. Last edited by Rob Petrie E395; 01-31-2012 at 10:43 PM.

02-14-2012, 10:55 AM	#3
Bob Verwold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fayetteville Ohio Posts: 656 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cdl ? I'm still working on the book part.........LOL Harder than I thought. Thanks for the input.

02-14-2012, 12:08 PM	#4
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Cdl ? And yes they do want you to have a DOT# also. Is your truck registered for the 38,000lbs total or more? If you get scaled they will want you licensed for more than your total weight. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

02-14-2012, 12:39 PM	#5
Bob Verwold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fayetteville Ohio Posts: 656 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cdl ? [QUOTE=Phillip marvetz;309500]And yes they do want you to have a DOT# also. Is your truck registered for the 38,000lbs total or more? If you get scaled they will want you licensed for more than your total weight. Your talking about the truck tags being 38,000 or more ? I took a weight slip for the truck and trailer to the DMV when I had it registered and it was 25,650 and I have tags for 26,000. But the GVW stickers are a total of 38,000 so what do ya go by..........This is where she told me I did NOT need a CDL . I'm just about to the point that I should have stayed with my 24' and the dually............

02-14-2012, 03:57 PM	#6
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 557 Likes: 6 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Cdl ? [QUOTE=voltdr;309481]Bob, I5. They define commerce as being any time you are being compensated for what you are doing. This is where we, as racers, get caught in the system because we race for money. The problem comes from if you claim the expences for tax purposes. If you don't claim expences, but show winnings as income and pay taxes on it, then there is no problem Chuck

02-14-2012, 09:55 AM	#2
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Cdl ? Bob, I have been preparing for my CDL here in TX. After talking with the State Troopers, here are some of my findings. 1. In TX, your are required to have a CDL class B, for any single vehicle (no trailer) if the GVW is over 26,001#. even an RV. 2. If the combination of vehicles (truck and trailer) is rated over 26,001# then you are required a CDL class A. 3. If the trailer is over 10,000# you are required a CDL class A. 4. If the nature of what you are doing involves "commerce" you are required a CDL class A. 5. They define commerce as being any time you are being compensated for what you are doing. This is where we, as racers, get caught in the system because we race for money. 6. In TX, you can take your skills test in any vehicle that meets the criteria in item #2 above, as needing a CDL class A. Hope this helps. Dan

02-14-2012, 07:18 PM	#7
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Cdl ? 25,650 is pretty close to the CDL limit. A full tank of fuel, A cooler full of goodies, A passenger and the dog and you could be in trouble. How often do you drive by a scale house and how lucky do you feel? __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

02-16-2012, 03:50 PM	#9
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cdl ? or if the unit Truck and or trailer are in the name of a bussiness

02-16-2012, 08:35 PM	#10
Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Cdl ? Bob Verwold, They go by the GVW listed weight for the vehicles; truck and trailer, not what you have them license for, if over 26,000 you need CDL and log book, med. card, dot #, UCR # 300.00 fine. I got ticket in Ok. in my one ton truck for not stopping in scale, truck licensed for 10,000 pounds, sign showed truck over 10,000 pounds must weight but truck GVW is 11,800 pounds. Tom __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK