It is time to change the Point System

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Stang_Bang

If I really have to answer that then you did not pay attention to ANY of the points chases from this season. Santangelo having to win the Vegas race to win the world and he did, Jackie Alley passing Peter in vegas, and going into pomona still having a chance to get passed by bogner, so lets see that is a D-1 car a D-6 car and a D-5 car all with a shot at winning the world champoinship. It is like that every year in vegas, but since I have never seen you there maybe that is why you are missing out on it. And those are just 2 examples, S/G and Comp went down to the last race to decide the champions. There must be something in that Arizona water that you and Don are drinking because you guys come up with some off the wall ideas!! Don wants to change the points, then says he has no intentions on chasing the world, then why even waste peoples time and posting just to post? I don't know why I am suprised he does the same thing on FaceBook.

This is not about me so don't go there you are missing the whole point > it cost a lot of time and Money to chase points . we are not pros and don't need any kind of how exciting the points chase (Quite frankly no one cares especially NHRA) as the racers all had to spend a lot of money and time to win the lowly amount purse . I will admit when i was 18 I tried to deposit my ego in the bank and was turned down lol so the world chanpions just got their ego boosted which i understand but the amount of money to boost your ego is disgusting and most racers don't have the time and money by the way do your race ? and what kind of car do you have ?? just curious

I have found out when a person in a discussion has no merit they then begin to attack the person , so please back off and stay the course in this discussion lol

[Stang_Bang]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

This is not about me so don't go there you are missing the whole point > it cost a lot of time and Money to chase points . we are not pros and don't need any kind of how exciting the points chase (Quite frankly no one cares especially NHRA) as the racers all had to spend a lot of money and time to win the lowly amount purse . I will admit when i was 18 I tried to deposit my ego in the bank and was turned down lol so the world chanpions just got their ego boosted which i understand but the amount of money to boost your ego is disgusting and most racers don't have the time and money by the way do your race ? and what kind of car do you have ?? just curious

I have found out when a person in a discussion has no merit they then begin to attack the person , so please back off and stay the course in this discussion lol

Just simply stating facts, if you are feeling attacked please forgive me. I could see asking for little points for breaking a record, maybe even for Qualifying (which is going to make HP ratings and bogus combos even more of a cry fest in here) but you guys want to change the whole system! Yes I do race, I have a 1968 mustang that I race in SS/FA. My name is RJ Torres. I believe we have met before a time or two Don LoL

[Jeff Lee]

Torres,
You still didn't answer the question. Why is it that anybody should take all the races they participated in and throw out the ones they did poorly in? If you (or anybody else) is such a great racer, claim the race before, not after. The current system forces one into racing more than they need to so they can throw out those bad days.
Like I said, call the race and take the points. And if your having a bad day, feel like your in a funk, don't think the car is up to the task or whatever, don't claim the race and wait for a better day.
And I really don't buy into the argument that the staging lanes are only half-full because of the economy. Maybe making a system such as Don & I suggest would bring more participation.
It's more interesting who has NOT commented on the subject...

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Stang_Bang

Just simply stating facts, if you are feeling attacked please forgive me. I could see asking for little points for breaking a record, maybe even for Qualifying (which is going to make HP ratings and bogus combos even more of a cry fest in here) but you guys want to change the whole system! Yes I do race, I have a 1968 mustang that I race in SS/FA. My name is RJ Torres. I believe we have met before a time or two Don LoL

RJ you turkey I knew it was you . How is your dad doing ? hope all is well, by the way don't forget to Vote LOL

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

AJ you turkey I knew it was you . How is your dad doing ? hope all is well, by the way don't forget to Vote LOL

For Obama I assume. Your idea falls right in line with his governing style. Reward people who do the Minimum. Take from the people who want to work for a championship. The way I see it, If I don't win a couple races early, I don't have any money or points to chase the Title anyway. The point system is fine, only change needed is to reward the top 3 Qualifiers with points. That would help the AHFS

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

For Obama I assume. Your idea falls right in line with his governing style. Reward people who do the Minimum. Take from the people who want to work for a championship. The way I see it, If I don't win a couple races early, I don't have any money or points to chase the Title anyway. The point system is fine, only change needed is to reward the top 3 Qualifiers with points. That would help the AHFS

Now that is not right Ken this has a political overtone , mentioning that guy in the same sentence with me >lol that hurts lol again

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

For Obama I assume. Your idea falls right in line with his governing style. Reward people who do the Minimum. Take from the people who want to work for a championship. The way I see it, If I don't win a couple races early, I don't have any money or points to chase the Title anyway. The point system is fine, only change needed is to reward the top 3 Qualifiers with points. That would help the AHFS

Hagen Gary said"I don't have any money to chase the title "

I know what you mean about the expense it takes to chase points if NHRA would adapt a more reasonable way of getting points it would no doubt cost a lot less and then all racers could chase points not just the 10% racers who have the time and money to chase points in the old antiquated points system we have now .

[Hagen Gary]

Don,
Please don't misquote me in an attempt to make it seem like I should agree with you.
The money would come from the races I won, and the points from those wins would be the reason i decide to use that surplus money to chase the Title. If not, I'm ok with the 8 races I go to a year. I have to assume that is the case with 90% of the racers.
Lets talk about rasing payouts

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Don,
Please don't misquote me in an attempt to make it seem like I should agree with you.
The money would come from the races I won, and the points from those wins would be the reason i decide to use that surplus money to chase the Title. If not, I'm ok with the 8 races I go to a year. I have to assume that is the case with 90% of the racers.
Lets talk about rasing payouts

At the current cost of travel, I don't think you could win races and hope to have the winnings generate enough funding to chase points. At best, you could hope for the wins to generate some external support from potential or current sponsors. And at the sportsman level, damned little of that.

Unless you race on a shoestring that is thinner than the one Michael Beard races on, the winnings from one race might fund the attendance of one race, not counting regular wear and tear costs, and not counting contingency payments which are constantly shrinking. You'd have to have a nearly unbroken string of wins, with the rest being final round appearances, with maybe a semi final round finish here and there. If you did that well, you wouldn't need to travel much, or far, in most divisions.

[Stang_Bang]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Don,
Please don't misquote me in an attempt to make it seem like I should agree with you.
The money would come from the races I won, and the points from those wins would be the reason i decide to use that surplus money to chase the Title. If not, I'm ok with the 8 races I go to a year. I have to assume that is the case with 90% of the racers.
Lets talk about rasing payouts

I agree 100% Hagen. If you notice most peoples championship speeches they all start with "I didn't expect to be chasing the world at the beginning of the year" I see more of a problem with the payouts than the current points system by far, when was the last time we got an increase in our purses?