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Old 01-08-2012, 11:24 PM   #1
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This is a subject that is really easy to overthink. Think about it too much, and you will lose.

A wise ex-Super Stock racer once told me "It's easy, just cut a .500 light and run exactly what you dial. You will win every time!"

There you go! Haha!
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:06 AM   #2
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Dice,
You still did'nt answer the question.
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:09 AM   #3
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This is funny maybe i can do the I have a DREAM speach on how to race another racer?
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:44 AM   #4
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From people I know, if they horn toot about packing numbers they usually dont.. Usually the guy that doesnt say anything is the guy that knows the game..

Do what works for you dont try to follow the leader.. I know some guys that dial there stuff and win regularly, and I know guys that go .20's in time runs and never dial faster than a .35 in eliminations and win regularly..

Chip I would do what you do it apparently works you win on a regular basis!
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:49 AM   #5
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I agree with what Dice is saying. The "cut a light and run your number" isn't an instant win against some of the really good drivers. It's much more difficult to win in any class these days, so the driver's theory is to set up real tight on the tree and make it close at the other end. So in theory, if you cut a light like a .007 and run dead on 7 you have a real nice .014 package. But when the black and decker tree wreckers like Biondo or Bertozzi leave with a .005, they have .009 to get in on you and they are good enough drivers to do that on a regular basis. They don't do it everytime, but these strategies dramatically improve their odds of the win light coming on. They are risking a red light and risk giving it back on the other end, but they are racing to win, not playing it safe so they won't lose.

Also, the more you practice hitting the tree that hard and driving the stripe that hard, the better at it you get.

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Old 01-09-2012, 11:22 AM   #6
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The "cut a light and run your number" isn't an instant win against some of the really good drivers. It's much more difficult to win in any class these days, so the driver's theory is to set up real tight on the tree and make it close at the other end. So in theory, if you cut a light like a .007 and run dead on 7 you have a real nice .014 package. But when the black and decker tree wreckers like Biondo or Bertozzi leave with a .005, they have .009 to get in on you and they are good enough drivers to do that on a regular basis. They don't do it everytime, but these strategies dramatically improve their odds of the win light coming on.
Manny's dead-on.

It's more likely that the top tier drivers are going to be .007 take 7 than it is for Joe Average to to be .007 dead-on 7. It's more likely for a top tier driver playing dialer to be .007 dead-on 7 than it is for Joe Average trying to hold and be .007 take 7. Regardless of strategy, the game still favors the better driver statistically. Does the little guy throw out a great package sometimes and beat them? Absolutely. It happens. What's the percentage chance of that happening? Does the top tier driver give one away sometimes? Absolutely. It happens. What's the percentage chance of that happening?

Increasing your knowledge base will improve your chances... regardless of what your skill level is now. Any of the schools, live or online, are probably cheaper than the next .03 you find in your car. Learn the skills that will turn on a few more win lights, and you'll make more money, which you can *then* go buy the latest go-fast parts with!



50 passes in a weekend = double-entered and run yourself in the finals every day, Fri-Sat-Sun. Although obviously exaggerated, there is a lesson to be taken from it... seat time is invaluable. It's going to be tougher for anyone to race 8-12 times a year and be competitive against someone running 37 weekends a year, many of which include multiple races and/or entries.
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Manny's dead-on.

It's more likely that the top tier drivers are going to be .007 take 7 than it is for Joe Average to to be .007 dead-on 7. It's more likely for a top tier driver playing dialer to be .007 dead-on 7 than it is for Joe Average trying to hold and be .007 take 7. Regardless of strategy, the game still favors the better driver statistically. Does the little guy throw out a great package sometimes and beat them? Absolutely. It happens. What's the percentage chance of that happening? Does the top tier driver give one away sometimes? Absolutely. It happens. What's the percentage chance of that happening?

Increasing your knowledge base will improve your chances... regardless of what your skill level is now. Any of the schools, live or online, are probably cheaper than the next .03 you find in your car. Learn the skills that will turn on a few more win lights, and you'll make more money, which you can *then* go buy the latest go-fast parts with!



50 passes in a weekend = double-entered and run yourself in the finals every day, Fri-Sat-Sun. Although obviously exaggerated, there is a lesson to be taken from it... seat time is invaluable. It's going to be tougher for anyone to race 8-12 times a year and be competitive against someone running 37 weekends a year, many of which include multiple races and/or entries.
When I take my kids to a carnival, those carny's sure make that ring toss look like a piece of cake. I can spend a $100 on ring toss with my 4 kids and not one of us will make one land on a coke bottle. The carny's do it day in, day out. The odds are decidedly in their favor.
Exactly why a professional, full-time "this is my life" racer racing against sportsman, part-time, "I have a job outside of the race track" will always have the upper hand.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:49 PM   #8
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This is a subject that is really easy to overthink. Think about it too much, and you will lose.

A wise ex-Super Stock racer once told me "It's easy, just cut a .500 light and run exactly what you dial. You will win every time!"

There you go! Haha!
Pretty much says it all there.

The package closest to perfect will ALWAYS win ... regardless of games that are played.
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One word: IMPLEMENTATION.

Everyone knows what the goal is. The trick is accomplishing it, consistently and repeatedly. Even the guy that doesn't get to race often enough can improve his driving. If you don't try to improve, you probably won't.
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Dont get seduced by whos in the other lane that when you mess up
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