Where are the pre 1960 stockers? - Page 7

442OLDS · 12-21-2011, 10:00 PM

For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself.

It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply.

A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one.

Does this car have them?

Lew Silverman · 12-21-2011, 10:07 PM

So again I'll ask -

Why did the NHRA reinstate the the pre-1960 cars?

The engine specification charts list engines for vehicles not listed in the Classification Guide! Why was the Classification Guide NOT updated to include combinations listed in the engine spec charts? Why were the pre-1960 cars included in Stock Eliminator if they can't be competitive? We're talking 50-year old technology here, aren't we? Can't use an early crank with a late model/Dart block - no bearing spacers allowed, right?

Can someone explain this?

Lew

Tony Janes · 12-21-2011, 10:14 PM

Sleeve the Dart block use a 302 crank. Cost about 3000.00

dahkahuna · 12-21-2011, 10:14 PM

Sorry Darrel 442 I apologise I miss read your post, I met you at Indy 1992 we pitted side by side, Doug Holder.

442OLDS · 12-21-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dahkahuna

Sorry Darrel 442 I apologise I miss read your post, I met you at Indy 1992 we pitted side by side, Doug Holder.

I remember that.You said to come over and touch your intake manifold.It was ICE cold.Almost got frostbite!

Steve Hurley · 12-21-2011, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself.

It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply.

A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one.

Does this car have them?

To answer your question, yes the car does have some lightweight parts, HoleShot wheels, radials, trick powerglide and so on.

Raced the car in ihra as 195/200 worked good -.60 under good air
p/sa .404-.413 camshaft. 13.75 index

Also tried ihra 180/200 very good air 13.45 et 13.75 index p/sa .334-.334 camshaft.

Tried 180/200 high 90,s temp q/sa 13.93 et 14.10 index.

I should be able to install my spare super stock engine and run about .75 under in ss/pa If that answers your question about the car.

56sedandelivery · 12-22-2011, 01:16 AM

Roughly a year ago, I bought Kyle Marshall's 1957 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery, "Hustlin' Hoosier". BUT, I'm really a 1956 Chevrolet guy, and I found another 1956 Sedan Delivery to go with the one I already had. Three Deliveries, and not enough room for them all, so the 57 Delivery was sold to a fella from Texas. The car was just like it was when put away in 1972 after they dropped Junior Stock; 220 HP 283, single Rochester 4-Jet carb, Stahl fenderwells, cast iron Powerglide with a 2500 RPM stall converter, and 4.88 rear end gears. The guy from Texas put new tires on, and has been racing it; best E.T. of 14.04, and nothing's even been freshened up. NHRA needs these cars back in stock; the spectators can relate to them, and think about how it was "back then". With a little work, lightweight wheels/tires, and more converter, this car will be in the low 13's, easily..............and it won't take 30-40K to get it there (I bought it for less than half of the lower number). These cars will be coming out of retirement, and sure, some "new" cars will be built. The guys at NHRA, for the most part, are'nt racers themselves currently, if they even ever were, and have no idea what the older stuff will really do with newer technology. Start them at the factory ratings, and go from there, up OR down, rather than pull a number out of the tire smoke. A 55 265 4 barrel motor is no more a 56 265 motor than it is a 426 Hemi (56 265's had three different heads used, 55 but one). Oh, and I sold "dakahuna" his 55 265 4 barrel intake; I want to see his car come into being. Butch/56sedandelivery.

Jason · 12-22-2011, 02:34 AM

The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

Steve Hurley · 12-22-2011, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

1955 has no valve notches in the pistons.

Chuck Norton · 12-22-2011, 11:14 AM

At this point, there's only one approved piston on the list for the '55.

"C42-CP"

Obviously, there has not been a rush to submit samples from other manufacturers for this application.

c

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442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,340 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? For what it is worth,I would love to see this combo be built to run index and beat a bunch of Drag Packs and Cobra Jets.I had a pretty good year against those cars myself. It sounds like it is possible to get it to run the index,just not cheaply. A lot of things have changed since 1971.Lightweight wheels and radials for one. Does this car have them?

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Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? So again I'll ask - Why did the NHRA reinstate the the pre-1960 cars? The engine specification charts list engines for vehicles not listed in the Classification Guide! Why was the Classification Guide NOT updated to include combinations listed in the engine spec charts? Why were the pre-1960 cars included in Stock Eliminator if they can't be competitive? We're talking 50-year old technology here, aren't we? Can't use an early crank with a late model/Dart block - no bearing spacers allowed, right? Can someone explain this? Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

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Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Sleeve the Dart block use a 302 crank. Cost about 3000.00 __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

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dahkahuna Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: san dimas , calif Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Sorry Darrel 442 I apologise I miss read your post, I met you at Indy 1992 we pitted side by side, Doug Holder.

12-22-2011, 01:16 AM	#67
56sedandelivery Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Roughly a year ago, I bought Kyle Marshall's 1957 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery, "Hustlin' Hoosier". BUT, I'm really a 1956 Chevrolet guy, and I found another 1956 Sedan Delivery to go with the one I already had. Three Deliveries, and not enough room for them all, so the 57 Delivery was sold to a fella from Texas. The car was just like it was when put away in 1972 after they dropped Junior Stock; 220 HP 283, single Rochester 4-Jet carb, Stahl fenderwells, cast iron Powerglide with a 2500 RPM stall converter, and 4.88 rear end gears. The guy from Texas put new tires on, and has been racing it; best E.T. of 14.04, and nothing's even been freshened up. NHRA needs these cars back in stock; the spectators can relate to them, and think about how it was "back then". With a little work, lightweight wheels/tires, and more converter, this car will be in the low 13's, easily..............and it won't take 30-40K to get it there (I bought it for less than half of the lower number). These cars will be coming out of retirement, and sure, some "new" cars will be built. The guys at NHRA, for the most part, are'nt racers themselves currently, if they even ever were, and have no idea what the older stuff will really do with newer technology. Start them at the factory ratings, and go from there, up OR down, rather than pull a number out of the tire smoke. A 55 265 4 barrel motor is no more a 56 265 motor than it is a 426 Hemi (56 265's had three different heads used, 55 but one). Oh, and I sold "dakahuna" his 55 265 4 barrel intake; I want to see his car come into being. Butch/56sedandelivery. Last edited by 56sedandelivery; 12-24-2011 at 01:11 AM.

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Jason Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 235 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? The 55 and 56 265 may have been quite a bit different years ago but the only difference today is the 56 is still allowed the Rochester carb thanks to the allowable 896 and 520 replacement heads.

12-22-2011, 11:14 AM	#70
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 474 Likes: 109 Liked 89 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? At this point, there's only one approved piston on the list for the '55. "C42-CP" Obviously, there has not been a rush to submit samples from other manufacturers for this application. c __________________ Chuck Norton