Where are the pre 1960 stockers? - Page 6

Charley Downing · 12-21-2011, 05:55 PM

Tony there are six total that I know of. Bogus HP rating or not my car is one of the best built stockers out there. It still takes money to run fast. It would cost $30,000 plus to build a roller 1955 Chevy as good as my CJ, that’s if you could find a good body cheep. Good parts are good parts no matter what car they are on. The odds of someone spending $45,000 plus on a R/SA 1955 Chevy to build it right are slim to none.

You can trust me with your life, but not your money or your wife

Tony Janes · 12-21-2011, 06:05 PM

I agree with on the price of an all out 55 Chevy. Does it have to be that way. The Hurley car is out there. At 180 hp it will run under in R/SA. Probably not much under. The index or less is all it takes. Why spend a lot of money on an eliminator that is mostly a bracket race. This is even more true in the lower classes.

442OLDS · 12-21-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

I agree with on the price of an all out 55 Chevy. Does it have to be that way. The Hurley car is out there. At 180 hp it will run under in R/SA. Probably not much under. The index or less is all it takes. Why spend a lot of money on an eliminator that is mostly a bracket race. This is even more true in the lower classes.

Just another reason why Stock Eliminator is NOT a bracket race.(Like you always say it is!)

If you can't win any heads up races,win class,or set records,you are still expected to at least get your car to run the index legally within given rules.With the indexes 3 tenths lower,it is definitely tougher for some combos,but that is what makes Stock Eliminator a performance class.

Steve Hurley · 12-21-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Steve you can’t tell me a 1955 Chevy with 265ci and rated at 205hp can’t run mid to low thirteen’s. You only haft to scale around 3500 pounds.
Captain jacks 1960 283ci Kingswood runs 13.80s at 4400 pounds

I am still new to stock,you tell me how to make it work at 205hp i am listening.

dahkahuna · 12-21-2011, 08:57 PM

Like I said before the AHFS is in place to take care of dominate car engine combos so what Charley says is that if you dont spend $30,000 to $50,000 on building a race car you should not be elgible to race in NHRA boy what a bunch of bull, are we scared a lower priced slower car may beat you, where is this mentality coming from that everyone has to spend tons of money or your not worthy to race on the same track with my $50,000.to $150,000 car . Rules are rules and they are the same for anyone how we race is not dictated by our wallets but 442 thinks so that you have to win class set records etc well have at it 442. I for one will concentrate on building a car to win the money not scratch my ego ! All you racers with all the money want your ego scratched go play with the big shots in the Pro classes then you can spend all the money you can....Just my to cents

Steve Hurley · 12-21-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Steve you can’t tell me a 1955 Chevy with 265ci and rated at 205hp can’t run mid to low thirteen’s. You only haft to scale around 3500 pounds.
Captain jacks 1960 283ci Kingswood runs 13.80s at 4400 pounds

There are at least 2 more 55s almost complete that I am aware of, if they take me to the wood shed, well,,, you win.

dahkahuna · 12-21-2011, 09:06 PM

Steve, your wasting your time, these guys need to read the AHFS letter earlier in this post Captain Jacks wagon is a 283 not a 265, it has a larger carb, it has more cam lift, it has 9.5 to 1 comp.,and it can use a 3 speed now, thats why we are asking for a lower factored hp the 283 has a 230/215 factor the 265 has a 180/205 factor see a problem here.

442OLDS · 12-21-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dahkahuna

Rules are rules and they are the same for anyone how we race is not dictated by our wallets but 442 thinks so that you have to win class set records etc well have at it 442. I for one will concentrate on building a car to win the money not scratch my ego ! All you racers with all the money want your ego scratched go play with the big shots in the Pro classes then you can spend all the money you can....Just my to cents

You must not know who you are talking to.I race one of the SLOWEST cars in my class!

Never won class EVER.Never set a record EVER.

Did win a National event,though!

Mark Yacavone · 12-21-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Then "the committee" doesn't have a clue what it's doing.
No reduction here,..... then giving back some to the 273 record holder?

I stand corrected on the 273 auto combo.
It was the stick shift given back HP.
The NHRA release didn't mention that fact, as it did with the Chevelle.
Paul Wong DID hold the record a few times with that combo though.

Tony Janes · 12-21-2011, 09:52 PM

The problem with the 1955 Chevy 180 hp is the mistake in the class guide. All factoring was done on the super stock 265. The last time that combo went down the track was Nov of 1971 when Paul Dilcher won the Supernationals. Forty one years later the Hurley car made some runs. The question is where did the combo get factored? The answer is it did not. The mistake need to be fixed. The combo will nerver go to 165 as a first step Fix the mistake and move on from there..

12-21-2011, 05:55 PM	#51
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Tony there are six total that I know of. Bogus HP rating or not my car is one of the best built stockers out there. It still takes money to run fast. It would cost $30,000 plus to build a roller 1955 Chevy as good as my CJ, that’s if you could find a good body cheep. Good parts are good parts no matter what car they are on. The odds of someone spending $45,000 plus on a R/SA 1955 Chevy to build it right are slim to none. You can trust me with your life, but not your money or your wife __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

12-21-2011, 06:05 PM	#52
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? I agree with on the price of an all out 55 Chevy. Does it have to be that way. The Hurley car is out there. At 180 hp it will run under in R/SA. Probably not much under. The index or less is all it takes. Why spend a lot of money on an eliminator that is mostly a bracket race. This is even more true in the lower classes. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-21-2011, 08:57 PM	#55
dahkahuna Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: san dimas , calif Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Like I said before the AHFS is in place to take care of dominate car engine combos so what Charley says is that if you dont spend $30,000 to $50,000 on building a race car you should not be elgible to race in NHRA boy what a bunch of bull, are we scared a lower priced slower car may beat you, where is this mentality coming from that everyone has to spend tons of money or your not worthy to race on the same track with my $50,000.to $150,000 car . Rules are rules and they are the same for anyone how we race is not dictated by our wallets but 442 thinks so that you have to win class set records etc well have at it 442. I for one will concentrate on building a car to win the money not scratch my ego ! All you racers with all the money want your ego scratched go play with the big shots in the Pro classes then you can spend all the money you can....Just my to cents

12-21-2011, 09:06 PM	#57
dahkahuna Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: san dimas , calif Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? Steve, your wasting your time, these guys need to read the AHFS letter earlier in this post Captain Jacks wagon is a 283 not a 265, it has a larger carb, it has more cam lift, it has 9.5 to 1 comp.,and it can use a 3 speed now, thats why we are asking for a lower factored hp the 283 has a 230/215 factor the 265 has a 180/205 factor see a problem here.

12-21-2011, 09:52 PM	#60
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where are the pre 1960 stockers? The problem with the 1955 Chevy 180 hp is the mistake in the class guide. All factoring was done on the super stock 265. The last time that combo went down the track was Nov of 1971 when Paul Dilcher won the Supernationals. Forty one years later the Hurley car made some runs. The question is where did the combo get factored? The answer is it did not. The mistake need to be fixed. The combo will nerver go to 165 as a first step Fix the mistake and move on from there.. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS Last edited by Tony Janes; 12-21-2011 at 09:59 PM.