2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator - Page 4

dwydendorf · 09-27-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Probably because I was .08 faster in the first 60 feet, and also it has had virtually nothing done to the motor. Oh yeah, and he was going over 1.5 mph faster than me at the 1/8th even with very little work done to it. Go ahead and build a car like mine if you think it's so soft.

Better yet if you think the Mustang is so soft why not build one of them? Did you know that most of the same people that put the D/SA mustang together also built Chartlie Downings #1 qualifer? If you really beleive nothing was done to the motor then build one and find out.

Andrew Hill · 09-27-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Better yet if you think the Mustang is so soft why not build one of them? Did you know that most of the same people that put the D/SA mustang together also built Chartlie Downings #1 qualifer? If you really beleive nothing was done to the motor then build one and find out.

I just built my car a couple years ago. I'm not going to turn around and build a new one just because it has a bogus factor. Charlie's motor has had some work done to it, but he also shifts the thing at 7000 rpm when it makes max power at over 8000. He will admit it, and you can see in the in car video I posted from his 1.31 under run this past weekend.

And yes, my car has been rated at 325 for a long time

Charley Downing · 09-28-2011, 07:24 AM

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

Evan Smith · 09-28-2011, 07:41 AM

Greg,

We all know they are underrated, so is a 350 at 325 hp. My point was to show that it is a shame that there are no regular production cars in the mix and this is totally due to the fact that new cars make far more power with smaller displacement. There are, and always will be underrated and overrated combos. I'm not saying it is right, but is the reality. Even without the CJ's and DP's how can you tell me NHRA can keep the playing field fair for the thousands of possible combinations? It is impossible. Someone will always be bitching and complaining that their combo is weak and another is soft.

You are also misinformed about the Boss. The Boss intake on the production car far exceeds the performance of the stock 5.0 GT intake (which is the one used on the 5.0 CJ) and there is no way on this Earth that a stock or mildly modified 2012 Boss 302 went 124 mph. You better watch that TV show again. During our magazine test we ran 12.07/114 in the heat of the summer with full-on powershifts and good tires. We all know what good air vs bad air is worth, so you can figure out what it may run in better conditions.

You can go to musclemustangfastfords.com and go to the video section and look for 2012 Boss 302 track test to watch for yourself.

Evan

Greg Hill · 09-28-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

Charley we all know there is a ton left in the 302 combination and yours. Jimmy even said so in the staging lanes when we were getting ready to run. That being said it's not quite as bogus as the 352 which is not even based on a production motor. As far as Andrew's motor being soft I guess that's why there are so many of them out there. These cars need to be in there own classes. I like the new cars and i think you were very deserving of best appearing at Columbus, but there were no older cars in Columbus capable of going 1.31 under.

RJ Sledge · 09-28-2011, 09:30 AM

Not taking any side here, but a friend of mine has a 2011 Mustang 5.0 rated at the 412 hp figure from Ford and is not as good a combo as the NHRA factored 2012 325 hp 5.0. He has a set of D.O.T. drag radials on the car, 6 speed manual factory gears, leaves at idle and does not hammer the gears changes and runs 11.90's 12.00's all nite long and weighs 3670 across the scales. Now it doesn't take much of an imagination to see that the car could run some 10.50's with just a few add ons. I don't care what the Magazine tests showed, a 2012 325 hp rated 5.0 at 3220 lbs is a great combo, even without all the tweaks most Stock racers have done on their older combos.

Just my opinion .

RJ

troublemaker427 · 09-28-2011, 10:08 AM

RJ, I don't have a dog in this fight but I find it hard to believe a '11 GT is going 11.90's by just adding drag radials and granny shifing it. I would bet it at least has a tune and a cold air intake. I'm not saying a GT won't do it but it takes a bit more than drag radials to get there.

I have one and have been around these cars a good bit lately. They make great power but 11.90s is a bit of a stretch stock...

I still like my FE too though.....

Ed Wright · 09-28-2011, 10:29 AM

A local kid got his into the 11.90s recently. Drag radials and an air box. He asked to use my lift to put exaust on it. No tuning either. They are fast.

troublemaker427 · 09-28-2011, 10:42 AM

He should go here and post. He would be king of the hill....

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ack-times.html

RJ Sledge · 09-28-2011, 11:21 AM

Jody

Yeah, I had a car like that once.....showroom stock 390 Mustang, 3.25 R/E with equa-loc, It was a dog, ran some 15.50 at Carlsbad Raceway in California in late 1966. I realize not all the 5.0's cars have the same performance, just like my 15.50 390 Mustang. All I am saying is what he told me, he could have had a air box (what the hell is that?), I looked under his hood and it all looked original to me.

What I am saying is this, the 5.0 is a 10.50 and better car running D/S or D/SA at 3220 lbs with about 10 or 12 items changed, gears, headers, camshafts, springs, suspension mods for Stock Elim, transmission and convertor/clutch and take out 400 to 500 lbs . You don't need to go any deeper into the engine than the cams and springs, etc. and you could have a car that will out run 98% of the Stock D/S and D/SA cars out there. They have a cast type piston in the 2011 factory version and 11-1 compression, smaller camshaft and Ford rates that motor at 412, while the NHRA version rated at 325 hp has 12.5-1 compression and a bit more lift and any valve spring. In other words, they will make an honest 550 hp with just simple add ons and that adds up to 10.50's or better running D at 3220.

I am a Ford person, but these New cars that are so underrated is pure BS, and I am talking about all makes and models. This is the problem with Stock as the majority see it, and if it contiunes it will spell the end for a lot of competitors. You would think that NHRA realizes it and does not see it as a problem.

RJ

09-28-2011, 07:24 AM	#33
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about. How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools. Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy. Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have. Andrew your combo is soft. 325hp vs 325hp 350ci vs 302ci acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake But so is the 302 CJ __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 09-28-2011 at 07:30 AM.

09-28-2011, 07:41 AM	#34
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator Greg, We all know they are underrated, so is a 350 at 325 hp. My point was to show that it is a shame that there are no regular production cars in the mix and this is totally due to the fact that new cars make far more power with smaller displacement. There are, and always will be underrated and overrated combos. I'm not saying it is right, but is the reality. Even without the CJ's and DP's how can you tell me NHRA can keep the playing field fair for the thousands of possible combinations? It is impossible. Someone will always be bitching and complaining that their combo is weak and another is soft. You are also misinformed about the Boss. The Boss intake on the production car far exceeds the performance of the stock 5.0 GT intake (which is the one used on the 5.0 CJ) and there is no way on this Earth that a stock or mildly modified 2012 Boss 302 went 124 mph. You better watch that TV show again. During our magazine test we ran 12.07/114 in the heat of the summer with full-on powershifts and good tires. We all know what good air vs bad air is worth, so you can figure out what it may run in better conditions. You can go to musclemustangfastfords.com and go to the video section and look for 2012 Boss 302 track test to watch for yourself. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK Last edited by Evan Smith; 09-28-2011 at 07:53 AM.

09-28-2011, 09:30 AM	#36
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 497 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator Not taking any side here, but a friend of mine has a 2011 Mustang 5.0 rated at the 412 hp figure from Ford and is not as good a combo as the NHRA factored 2012 325 hp 5.0. He has a set of D.O.T. drag radials on the car, 6 speed manual factory gears, leaves at idle and does not hammer the gears changes and runs 11.90's 12.00's all nite long and weighs 3670 across the scales. Now it doesn't take much of an imagination to see that the car could run some 10.50's with just a few add ons. I don't care what the Magazine tests showed, a 2012 325 hp rated 5.0 at 3220 lbs is a great combo, even without all the tweaks most Stock racers have done on their older combos. Just my opinion . RJ

09-28-2011, 10:08 AM	#37
troublemaker427 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hampstead, MD. Posts: 422 Likes: 282 Liked 64 Times in 23 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator RJ, I don't have a dog in this fight but I find it hard to believe a '11 GT is going 11.90's by just adding drag radials and granny shifing it. I would bet it at least has a tune and a cold air intake. I'm not saying a GT won't do it but it takes a bit more than drag radials to get there. I have one and have been around these cars a good bit lately. They make great power but 11.90s is a bit of a stretch stock... I still like my FE too though..... __________________ Jody Aberts Troublemaker2 1966 Fairlane 427 Last edited by troublemaker427; 09-28-2011 at 10:18 AM.

09-28-2011, 10:29 AM	#38
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator A local kid got his into the 11.90s recently. Drag radials and an air box. He asked to use my lift to put exaust on it. No tuning either. They are fast. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

09-28-2011, 10:42 AM	#39
troublemaker427 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hampstead, MD. Posts: 422 Likes: 282 Liked 64 Times in 23 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator He should go here and post. He would be king of the hill.... http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ack-times.html __________________ Jody Aberts Troublemaker2 1966 Fairlane 427

09-28-2011, 11:21 AM	#40
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 497 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator Jody Yeah, I had a car like that once.....showroom stock 390 Mustang, 3.25 R/E with equa-loc, It was a dog, ran some 15.50 at Carlsbad Raceway in California in late 1966. I realize not all the 5.0's cars have the same performance, just like my 15.50 390 Mustang. All I am saying is what he told me, he could have had a air box (what the hell is that?), I looked under his hood and it all looked original to me. What I am saying is this, the 5.0 is a 10.50 and better car running D/S or D/SA at 3220 lbs with about 10 or 12 items changed, gears, headers, camshafts, springs, suspension mods for Stock Elim, transmission and convertor/clutch and take out 400 to 500 lbs . You don't need to go any deeper into the engine than the cams and springs, etc. and you could have a car that will out run 98% of the Stock D/S and D/SA cars out there. They have a cast type piston in the 2011 factory version and 11-1 compression, smaller camshaft and Ford rates that motor at 412, while the NHRA version rated at 325 hp has 12.5-1 compression and a bit more lift and any valve spring. In other words, they will make an honest 550 hp with just simple add ons and that adds up to 10.50's or better running D at 3220. I am a Ford person, but these New cars that are so underrated is pure BS, and I am talking about all makes and models. This is the problem with Stock as the majority see it, and if it contiunes it will spell the end for a lot of competitors. You would think that NHRA realizes it and does not see it as a problem. RJ Last edited by RJ Sledge; 09-28-2011 at 11:33 AM.