2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

[Damn Yankee]

Does anyone have any insight as to if and or when NHRA will come out with a HP factor for the new Boss 302's ? I have seen a couple of these click off some high 11's right off the showroom floor with only slicks, or drag radials. I am thinking with a upgraded transmission, and soft-lok style clutch it wouldn't be long before this could be a 10:90 or better set-up.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Does anyone have any insight as to if and or when NHRA will come out with a HP factor for the new Boss 302's ? I have seen a couple of these click off some high 11's right off the showroom floor with only slicks, or drag radials. I am thinking with a upgraded transmission, and soft-lok style clutch it wouldn't be long before this could be a 10:90 or better set-up.

it won't be. there is a cobra jet version already in the guides

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

it won't be. there is a cobra jet version already in the guides

X 2.

It won't be listed because it is a production car and generally available to the public.

[dartman]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

X 2.

It won't be listed because it is a production car and generally available to the public.

It won't be listed because it is a production car and generally available to the public.


NOW THAT'S FUNNY

[Jeff Lee]

Sad, one of the most bitchin' cars ever built and anybody can buy one yet there is no way it will ever make it as a class car. I think it's safe to say, anybody here would be impressed if the Boss made it to the books. Seing one of these run mid 10's would be far more impressive than a crate motor paper tiger running low tens.

[Damn Yankee]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

it won't be. there is a cobra jet version already in the guides

Sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly is a Cobra Jet version of the Boss 302 ? Is this an identical engine to the Boss 302 that comes in Crate Motor fashion ???

[Evan Smith]

You don't see regular production cars from Chevy, Dodge or Ford, because they would be terrible combinations. Old cars were rated differently (gross hp) from the factory with no engine accessories and free-flowing exhaust—new engines are rated with everything in place, including emission controls.

The real problem is that it is much harder to get 200-250 hp out of (non-supercharged) new cars once built for Stock. The new Boss 302 is rated at 444 hp and I have seen about 390-400 rwhp on a Dynojet chassis dyno. These cars will run 12.0s at 113 mph with sticky rear tires. We tested a 1970 454 LS-6 Chevelle (auto), factory rated at 450, and it was a good-running example, not a turd. It made 296 rwhp (I would guess it would have made 330-350 rwhp with a stick). I don't remember the torque numbers, but the BBC did make loads of torque.

Once modified for Stock Eliminator, you now have equal (or close to equal) drivetrain, suspension, the same advantages in regards to head mods (valve job), and camshaft, exhaust, etc. You can use all new parts for the 454, just like the 302 (or Chevy LS or Dodge equivalent). They are essentially rated the same, yet the Boss gives up 152 cubic inches!

I would guess that a properly built 454 LS-6 or ZL-1 427 Chevy (or 426 Hemi) makes upwards of 680-700 hp. Could a 302 equal that? Remember, this engine is already making 1.47 hp per cube! This is not a Ford thing, as I'm sure same holds true for the 426 hp Camaro and the 425 hp Dodge.

At 700 hp a 454 is making 1.54 hp per cube
At 700 hp a 302 is making 2.31 hp per cube

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

You don't see regular production cars from Chevy, Dodge or Ford, because they would be terrible combinations.................

Just a guess, but you don't see regular production cars from the Big Three because they don't submit them to NHRA for classification. It doesn't matter what's out there, if it's not in the guide, it's not legal for Stock Eliminator. That's why I still believe you can't build a Cobra Jet out of a regular production Mustang, because there are too many unique parts and modifications to make the conversion. The only 2012 Ford in the Guide is the Cobra Jet, a limited production vehicle

[Bob Pagano]

Just my opinion but putting the 302 in the CJ body amounts to being a crate motor car, nhra has said that will not run crate motor classes than how do they explain this.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

You don't see regular production cars from Chevy, Dodge or Ford, because they would be terrible combinations. Old cars were rated differently (gross hp) from the factory with no engine accessories and free-flowing exhaust—new engines are rated with everything in place, including emission controls.

The real problem is that it is much harder to get 200-250 hp out of (non-supercharged) new cars once built for Stock. The new Boss 302 is rated at 444 hp and I have seen about 390-400 rwhp on a Dynojet chassis dyno. These cars will run 12.0s at 113 mph with sticky rear tires. We tested a 1970 454 LS-6 Chevelle (auto), factory rated at 450, and it was a good-running example, not a turd. It made 296 rwhp (I would guess it would have made 330-350 rwhp with a stick). I don't remember the torque numbers, but the BBC did make loads of torque.

Once modified for Stock Eliminator, you now have equal (or close to equal) drivetrain, suspension, the same advantages in regards to head mods (valve job), and camshaft, exhaust, etc. You can use all new parts for the 454, just like the 302 (or Chevy LS or Dodge equivalent). They are essentially rated the same, yet the Boss gives up 152 cubic inches!

I would guess that a properly built 454 LS-6 or ZL-1 427 Chevy (or 426 Hemi) makes upwards of 680-700 hp. Could a 302 equal that? Remember, this engine is already making 1.47 hp per cube! This is not a Ford thing, as I'm sure same holds true for the 426 hp Camaro and the 425 hp Dodge.

At 700 hp a 454 is making 1.54 hp per cube
At 700 hp a 302 is making 2.31 hp per cube

Evan, i KINDA see your point. The new engines are way more efficient than that older stuff, for various reasons. That makes it harder to get the large gains out of them, in theory. But the LS-1 cars and even Womack's new C6 disprove your thought that they don't make good stockers. I think the bloated weight of the new cars is a much bigger reason that they don't make good stockers ( hence why the new vette is a good car, its not a pig). Of course none of them are good combos when you have factory ringers that are so far under rated its a crime.