Pro tree

[K Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Can you say that for sure?Quite a few P/S racers came from sportsman racing and they
understand the concept of the 5/10s tree.Make it a 4/10s tree.Hey there's guys that want a pro tree in S/SS heads up races.So as long as we're changing the sport just for the sake of change why not try this too?Starting to sound like 2008 "We need a change".

It doesnt matter what someone wanted to change or try on here, you would still disagree with it. Top Stock was very exciting to watch because it was a pro tree. Its "heads up" racing and there is nothing wrong with running in on a pro tree. The Pros have been doing it for years. Ed, you might even like it in that little AMC of yours.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by K Stubbs

It doesnt matter what someone wanted to change or try on here, you would still disagree with it. Top Stock was very exciting to watch because it was a pro tree. Its "heads up" racing and there is nothing wrong with running in on a pro tree. The Pros have been doing it for years. Ed, you might even like it in that little AMC of yours.

Kevin,just read back a few years on here and think of all the mommas boy crying,high-
lighted by the phrase "we need to level the playing field".You can't get a majority on any
situation with a group of 3 people.
I bracket raced from 1977 till 1993 and there were tries at doing different things with the
pro tree (we ran some index classes) and thery all pooped out.I started putting tpe on my window to block the second bulb around 1981 which in effct was a form of seeing a pro light and it served me well.Then of course some guys started using enough tape on their windows to wrap an egyptian mummy family.It got to the point where it was a miricle that
no one was hit by cars driving to the lanes.NHRA finally said no more tape.
You give some guys an inch and they'll take a mile.
So you see when I make posts counter to the new rule of the week I draw on the yearts of experience I've had seeing the worse come out in some people under the guise of
winning at any cost.
You say the Pros have been doing it for years.Well look back to the "stone age" and the pros not only ran full trees but the ran a 5 bulb full tree.
BTW T/S and T/D run full tree and look at their mastery of the full tree.
Just some musings from an old fart who's getting weary of all the cries for change and
so called leveling the playing field.
The real change we need is more dilligent monitoring of HP factors,enforcement of EXISTING rules and an increase of the payouts for our participation.

Stepping down off the soap box.

[69Cobra]

I don't get how some of you guys can say that a pro tree "dumbs down" the sport. When the top sportsman racers in the country use blinders to "dumb down" the full tree. Should I make a list? I believe there would be quit a few recent world champs that use blinders, starting with Biondo, Iacono, Decker, Richardson and even Jeggy as we all seen on tv and the list goes on.

Ed,
I apologize what you guys have been doing is working don't worry. Hopefully there will be enough seats at Indy on Thursday for all the spectators to have a seat to watch Stock.

BTW Ed,
I don't think any of us are looking at it as leveling the playing field. 'Cuz I'll cut the tree down on ya either way.

Best light with a full tree is a .000 and my best light with a pro tree is .002. Don't need to level any playing field.

[K Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Kevin,just read back a few years on here and think of all the mommas boy crying,high-
lighted by the phrase "we need to level the playing field".You can't get a majority on any
situation with a group of 3 people.
I bracket raced from 1977 till 1993 and there were tries at doing different things with the
pro tree (we ran some index classes) and thery all pooped out.I started putting tpe on my window to block the second bulb around 1981 which in effct was a form of seeing a pro light and it served me well.Then of course some guys started using enough tape on their windows to wrap an egyptian mummy family.It got to the point where it was a miricle that
no one was hit by cars driving to the lanes.NHRA finally said no more tape.
You give some guys an inch and they'll take a mile.
So you see when I make posts counter to the new rule of the week I draw on the yearts of experience I've had seeing the worse come out in some people under the guise of
winning at any cost.
You say the Pros have been doing it for years.Well look back to the "stone age" and the pros not only ran full trees but the ran a 5 bulb full tree.
BTW T/S and T/D run full tree and look at their mastery of the full tree.
Just some musings from an old fart who's getting weary of all the cries for change and
so called leveling the playing field.
The real change we need is more dilligent monitoring of HP factors,enforcement of EXISTING rules and an increase of the payouts for our participation.

Stepping down off the soap box.

I agree, there are other things that are more important, but I do not think trying a pro tree for class runoffs would be to harmful to the sport. Thats just my opinion. Change is not always bad, there have been many changes to the sport that have benefited it as well as the racers. Just because "it has always been done this way", doesnt necessarily mean that it is the best way. That is kind of like saying that we have to do everything the way it has always been done. I, personally, think it would be cool to have a couple of races a year run off of the pro tree just for fun. Again, just my opinion. And I do value your opinion ED.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Kevin,just read back a few years on here and think of all the mommas boy crying,high-
lighted by the phrase "we need to level the playing field".You can't get a majority on any
situation with a group of 3 people.
I bracket raced from 1977 till 1993 and there were tries at doing different things with the
pro tree (we ran some index classes) and thery all pooped out.I started putting tpe on my window to block the second bulb around 1981 which in effct was a form of seeing a pro light and it served me well.Then of course some guys started using enough tape on their windows to wrap an egyptian mummy family.It got to the point where it was a miricle that
no one was hit by cars driving to the lanes.NHRA finally said no more tape.
You give some guys an inch and they'll take a mile.
So you see when I make posts counter to the new rule of the week I draw on the yearts of experience I've had seeing the worse come out in some people under the guise of
winning at any cost.
You say the Pros have been doing it for years.Well look back to the "stone age" and the pros not only ran full trees but the ran a 5 bulb full tree.
BTW T/S and T/D run full tree and look at their mastery of the full tree.
Just some musings from an old fart who's getting weary of all the cries for change and
so called leveling the playing field.
The real change we need is more dilligent monitoring of HP factors,enforcement of EXISTING rules and an increase of the payouts for our participation.

Stepping down off the soap box.

T/S and T/D "MASTERY" of the full tree is due to the worst invention ever.....The DELAY BOX !

[MikeFicacci]

Pro-tree is a good idea for class eliminations but not so much for heads-up runs during eliminations.

[TOSTO RACING]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

Pro-tree is a good idea for class eliminations but not so much for heads-up runs during eliminations.

This is exactly what I was asking about

[Andrew Hill]

I like the idea of a Pro Tree for heads up stuff, but it would get difficult for the racers in eliminations if they had to switch back and forth for a heads up run. It could be a possibility in class eliminations, I always liked it in Top Stock.

[Ed Wright]

For SS, if stopping red lights is a goal it would need to be a .4 tree.