Wow !! Sonoma stock !!!

Ed Wright · 08-02-2011, 11:44 PM

Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through?

HawkBrosMav · 08-03-2011, 09:47 AM

Bo... you just proved my point. This class used to be about who could bend the rules in the right place or found something that no one else had to make there car fast. Now anyone off the street can get a hold of one of these cars because they saw it and thought it was "cool" and go out to the track with a completely untouched setup and run within .060 of the NATIONAL RECORD???? What happens when the guy actually sits down and puts some effort into building the motor with all that SS tricks that have been learned over the years....

These cars can only hit the horse power so many times and guess what once they get where they should be they stop getting horsepower and still end up #1... The 352 is never gonna get hit enough with 1 or 2 people running it. The Blown ones will take a few more years until the guys actually have to open the motors and "try" to make horsepower.

04GTOMan · 08-04-2011, 01:22 AM

Stock is a joke! Not even close to stock. I'll just run true street or footbrake classes.

RULER · 08-04-2011, 02:56 AM

You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

SS Engine Guy · 08-04-2011, 03:47 AM

Where would the GM 350/300 qualify if you took 70hp off? Stock and especially SS. Even with no fuel injection and no super trick cast race head?

Its not the cars its the factor. You could take just about any average car in any class and take off the hp that these new cars are underfactored by and have a top ten qualifier if they could loose the weight. That is what the old saying is about: (with the stroke of a pen).

X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RULER

You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

LOL..........Yepper.

X-TECH MAN · 08-04-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through?

Ed....do you REALLY think stock and S/S will last that long the way its going ?

Casey Miles · 08-04-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through?

At increases in 3 to 6 HP every 6 months, how long would it take for the DP V-10 456 HP to catch up to the Viper's street version V-10 that has 600 advertised HP? I think that the engines that are introduced for Stock, NHRA should put the rating at 1.25 HP per cubic inch. Let them race off the HP rather then race to put on HP.

The Ford 352 is a totally different story, it should be taken out of Stock due to it being a "piece together" engine from a parts catalog. The 352 was never introduced in a production car and can't be purchased as a crate engine either, try looking for it on Ford's web page. It's not there!

Casey Miles
248H Stock

08-03-2011, 09:47 AM	#2
HawkBrosMav Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 362 Likes: 6 Liked 302 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Bo... you just proved my point. This class used to be about who could bend the rules in the right place or found something that no one else had to make there car fast. Now anyone off the street can get a hold of one of these cars because they saw it and thought it was "cool" and go out to the track with a completely untouched setup and run within .060 of the NATIONAL RECORD???? What happens when the guy actually sits down and puts some effort into building the motor with all that SS tricks that have been learned over the years.... These cars can only hit the horse power so many times and guess what once they get where they should be they stop getting horsepower and still end up #1... The 352 is never gonna get hit enough with 1 or 2 people running it. The Blown ones will take a few more years until the guys actually have to open the motors and "try" to make horsepower.

08-04-2011, 01:22 AM	#3
04GTOMan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Stock is a joke! Not even close to stock. I'll just run true street or footbrake classes.

08-04-2011, 02:56 AM	#4
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! You start handing out more go fast parts for the older cars and you will have want happened to TOP STOCK, Ho thats right you remember Bo Stock!!!!!, well that's a hole new story LMAF.

08-04-2011, 03:47 AM	#5
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Where would the GM 350/300 qualify if you took 70hp off? Stock and especially SS. Even with no fuel injection and no super trick cast race head? Its not the cars its the factor. You could take just about any average car in any class and take off the hp that these new cars are underfactored by and have a top ten qualifier if they could loose the weight. That is what the old saying is about: (with the stroke of a pen).

08-02-2011, 11:44 PM	#1
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Nothing has been as under rated as the new cars. With blown CJs stock engines making 800 hp on the dyno, what would consider a correct rating? Or the SS versions making 1100? What do suppose one will make after the years of refinement and testing the LT1 & LS1 has been through? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 08-03-2011 at 08:31 AM.