The New Rules for Class Run-Offs

Toyotakid · 07-27-2011, 12:57 PM

This has probably been beat to death here BUT I did not get to see it. Does ANYONE like the new rules for singles? What are your thoughts on an idea to make it more competitive?

Scott K.

Chuck Beach · 07-27-2011, 03:19 PM

What class do you run?

BobOrme · 07-27-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

What class do you run?

I think the car in his avatar is the Scion that he races in SS/EX.

Ed Wright · 07-27-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BobOrme

I think the car in his avatar is the Scion that he races in SS/EX.

A single, right? LOL

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-27-2011, 07:12 PM

Yeah Scott it got beat to death then resurected and beat some more. Some seem to agree with it some (mostly guys in single car classes) hate it. Me I really don't care, the trophy was cool and there was a little money but hardly enough to worry over. just my opinion. Joe

Bill Koski · 07-27-2011, 07:16 PM

I'm happy the gravy train stayed on the tracks as long as it did!
The handwriting was on the wall but they could have announced the changes before the season began!

7423 · 07-27-2011, 08:01 PM

I have been biting my lip for too long on this topic.....................now it is time to get it off my chest. If a racer put as much time and effort into learning how to win it on Sunday, he or she would have much larger trophies and much more prize money. Oh and Sundays decals are worth $300 each, Fridays decal are about $50 each!!!
5 oh's and win lights to ya!!

Pvt Parts · 07-27-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

i have been biting my lip for too long on this topic.....................now it is time to get it off my chest. If a racer put as much time and effort into learning how to win it on sunday, he or she would have much larger trophies and much more prize money. Oh and sundays decals are worth $300 each, fridays decal are about $50 each!!!
5 oh's and win lights to ya!!

x2

Toyotakid · 07-28-2011, 05:54 PM

I understand the reasoning behind the move, I understand the thoughts of "Learn how to win on Sunday" reasoning. What does not make sense is lumping single cars together and running them off of the NHRA provided index. Most indexes are based off of a mythical horsepower factor. Some are based off of lbs. per c.i. so it is not a true test of a class race. Guys protect their indexes fiercly while some don't care as it does not really affect them. It would seem that IF you were going to lump all the single cars together for a run off they should use their qualifying time as their "dial in number" for the run off as NO ONE ever sand bags those (that is a joke, don't flame that thought) ... Just thinking out loud here.

Jeff Lee · 07-29-2011, 01:26 AM

Here's a problem area. You have two singles for class. One is a SS/JA and the other is SS/J. Both run on the same NHRA mandated weight per HP. Both have engines that are NHRA adjusted to the same HP. In this scenario both could be the same engine / chassis or maybe not. But an example would be Don Little's Challenger in SS/JA and an identical Challenger (both the same 383's, both built by Don Little). Who will win? For starters, the SS/JA index is TWO TENTHS softer. The SS/J guy has a mirror image car except a manual transmission. They both run a 10.00. SS/JA wins class by being TWO TENTHS further under his index!
I've brought this disparity between indexes up before. I guess it only affects a couple of people and nobody cares. I think it's rediculous..

07-27-2011, 12:57 PM	#1
Toyotakid Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Anaheim Hills, California Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The New Rules for Class Run-Offs This has probably been beat to death here BUT I did not get to see it. Does ANYONE like the new rules for singles? What are your thoughts on an idea to make it more competitive? Scott K. __________________ Scott Kelley 9.57 @ 146.67 2008 Sport Compact Driver of the Year

07-27-2011, 03:19 PM	#2
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs What class do you run? __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

07-27-2011, 07:12 PM	#5
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs Yeah Scott it got beat to death then resurected and beat some more. Some seem to agree with it some (mostly guys in single car classes) hate it. Me I really don't care, the trophy was cool and there was a little money but hardly enough to worry over. just my opinion. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-27-2011, 07:16 PM	#6
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs I'm happy the gravy train stayed on the tracks as long as it did! The handwriting was on the wall but they could have announced the changes before the season began!

07-27-2011, 08:01 PM	#7
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs I have been biting my lip for too long on this topic.....................now it is time to get it off my chest. If a racer put as much time and effort into learning how to win it on Sunday, he or she would have much larger trophies and much more prize money. Oh and Sundays decals are worth $300 each, Fridays decal are about $50 each!!! 5 oh's and win lights to ya!!

07-28-2011, 05:54 PM	#9
Toyotakid Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Anaheim Hills, California Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs I understand the reasoning behind the move, I understand the thoughts of "Learn how to win on Sunday" reasoning. What does not make sense is lumping single cars together and running them off of the NHRA provided index. Most indexes are based off of a mythical horsepower factor. Some are based off of lbs. per c.i. so it is not a true test of a class race. Guys protect their indexes fiercly while some don't care as it does not really affect them. It would seem that IF you were going to lump all the single cars together for a run off they should use their qualifying time as their "dial in number" for the run off as NO ONE ever sand bags those (that is a joke, don't flame that thought) ... Just thinking out loud here. __________________ Scott Kelley 9.57 @ 146.67 2008 Sport Compact Driver of the Year

07-29-2011, 01:26 AM	#10
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The New Rules for Class Run-Offs Here's a problem area. You have two singles for class. One is a SS/JA and the other is SS/J. Both run on the same NHRA mandated weight per HP. Both have engines that are NHRA adjusted to the same HP. In this scenario both could be the same engine / chassis or maybe not. But an example would be Don Little's Challenger in SS/JA and an identical Challenger (both the same 383's, both built by Don Little). Who will win? For starters, the SS/JA index is TWO TENTHS softer. The SS/J guy has a mirror image car except a manual transmission. They both run a 10.00. SS/JA wins class by being TWO TENTHS further under his index! I've brought this disparity between indexes up before. I guess it only affects a couple of people and nobody cares. I think it's rediculous.. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX