10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals

Jack McCarthy · 07-23-2011, 01:27 AM

people always talk about the good old days... memory makes it seem better i think. i do not see alex posting on here and im not an authority on what all took place but i was there crew chiefing for MJ Quinn...

yeah it was GREAT most cars ever, superb idea and lots of work on alex and a few others part cannot say enough about what they accomplished > it paved the way for the sportsnationals (of course NHRA greedily took them over to thier tracks except pats who also stuck his ***** out)

yeah it was HOT, real hot, even 10 years ago i was younger HOT...

i do remember the issues...
after the no breakout race grumbling about BEAR running IHRA class not nhra better index...
grumbling about teardown, all passed but terry bell made statement about "worst heads he's ever seen etc"... but did not toss anyone due to fear of legal repercussions and without an association behind him could be personally liable.
grumbling about failure to pay posted contingency money and no recourse (see above)...
i cant think of anything else right now
BUT
i do remember people ripping ALEX's ***** on this forum, and the other one, and everywhere we went for 1/2 year like HE did something wrong instead of all this warm and fuzzy **** i am reading now !

i would go again in a minute, i go to pats every year 1700 miles round trip
i would support alex any time again

anyway, if i offended anyone im sorry... if i am wrong someone with facts set me straight... not trying to ruin this nostalgic thread but i remember ALEX's screwing.

captain

Jeff Teuton · 07-23-2011, 08:22 AM

Captain, you are right as usual. There was some bitching on the forums about the ususal nothing, sorta like now. As far as the pay, I think I won the most, and I got every dollar & part that was promised that was anyway possible to deliver. There were several postings from very reputable machine and speed shops that because I live so far south were just impossible to do, but they were offered and it was my problem not getting the services. But then if God appreared and offered a new Mustang CJ or Mopar DP that would run far under the index for free, these same people would bitch cause it ain't a 69 Camaro. The great memories of that race far outnumber the nitwits that had negative comments. I think Alex should do it again. One good story is I met the Mayor of Byron, IL. Interesting how she annexed the track into the city limits to get the tax revenue, and stop the greenies, yuppies that came with the atomic reactor that were not there before, and wanted to close the track. You gotta like that person. Great race, and a great time. I got a picture of my class plaque and my big trophy. I will try to send it to someone to post on this thread.

X-TECH MAN · 07-23-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

people always talk about the good old days... memory makes it seem better i think. i do not see alex posting on here and im not an authority on what all took place but i was there crew chiefing for MJ Quinn...

yeah it was GREAT most cars ever, superb idea and lots of work on alex and a few others part cannot say enough about what they accomplished > it paved the way for the sportsnationals (of course NHRA greedily took them over to thier tracks except pats who also stuck his ***** out)

yeah it was HOT, real hot, even 10 years ago i was younger HOT...

i do remember the issues...
after the no breakout race grumbling about BEAR running IHRA class not nhra better index...
grumbling about teardown, all passed but terry bell made statement about "worst heads he's ever seen etc"... but did not toss anyone due to fear of legal repercussions and without an association behind him could be personally liable.
grumbling about failure to pay posted contingency money and no recourse (see above)...
i cant think of anything else right now
BUT
i do remember people ripping ALEX's ***** on this forum, and the other one, and everywhere we went for 1/2 year like HE did something wrong instead of all this warm and fuzzy **** i am reading now !

i would go again in a minute, i go to pats every year 1700 miles round trip
i would support alex any time again

anyway, if i offended anyone im sorry... if i am wrong someone with facts set me straight... not trying to ruin this nostalgic thread but i remember ALEX's screwing.

captain

It was the late Don Holmes (not the porn star....John Holmes) with an engine built by Parsons and Meyers in his white Firebird. The heads and intake WERE ported and acid etched and they looked like s##t. I had done enough Pontiac heads over the years to know what I was looking at. The short block checked out OK but a piston and rod were not pulled. I was not afraid of a law suit.personally as if someone wanted to go to court I had the same STOCK UNTOUCHED heads and intake back home in my shop that I could have brought to court. I talked it over with Alex and because the almighty NHRA had just approved the heads were legal for an NHRA record just 2 weeks prior we felt it was best to follow suit as plenty more bogus heads and intakes were out there. Yes they were the same heads and intake as the colored sealing material was still on the parts that NHRA put there when I gave the OK to start taking it apart. Just ONE of the reasons that fast cars of today do NOT impress me and I gave up and quit doing tech. Other than the new bogus HP combos most fast older cars ARE doctored up. Believe it or not. If you believe other wise than I have some water front property for sale in Arizona for you. THATS one reason the old days were better. Racers took pride in going fast legally....not just what they could get away with. Its all bracket racing today with un chopped up cars.
As an after thought of this post I also tore down Michael Manns Super Stocker with a dish piston Olds engine and found EVERTHING to be on the money including the dish C.C.s in the piston. I think I surprised them when this lowly IHRA tech guy could certify them as legal with all that I checked.They showed professionalism and allowed me to look at everything I wanted to see and I thank them if they read this post.....and yes it was friggin' HOT when I was doing this in their pit area and not in some shaded cool tear down barn.
Would I do it again???? Maybe but I doubt it !

danny waters sr · 07-23-2011, 08:59 AM

Terry ,the old saying you ain't cheating til you get caught.
Hard to get caught anymore with the rule bending and the head-turning (no pun intended)
If you do see something most of the time it's same ole story = well it passed all year like this and so and so has the same thing and on and on......
It's hard to police today as no help and knowledge as the older days . there are just a hand full of good tech guys left..And i respect everyone of them cause they have their hands full .As we say "now" things have changed and i could not agree more......I'm retired now so go ahead and wear me out.......I probably already heard it at some point and time....Love y'all...........

Beth Denysenko · 07-23-2011, 05:53 PM

We still talk about doing a USCN2 frequently around the house.......and we have lots and lots of pictures from the event. I will put it as a top priority to work on scanning some of the pics and posting them on our website as I have time.

Larry Hill · 07-24-2011, 08:38 AM

I would love to see and buy the picture of Jerry Newsome and myself leaving the line together with wheels in the air.

Thanks again to Jeff and Carolyn Teuton for buying supper for all the racers at the country club. Jeff had to win the race to break even for the weekend.

My Class Winner plaque is mounted highest on the wall.

Thanks to everyone who made it the race to remember. The competion was hotter than the weater, and man was it HOT.

Geerhead55 · 07-24-2011, 11:21 PM

Larry,,,like I told you last year, on the swing,,I got a great shot of you two launching wheels up high in the air on that pass. Bob Rice has my USCN photos right now, so maybe if he can go through them, dig it out and post it on here we can all enjoy it.
What do you think Bob,,can you find it??
Take care Larry,,too bad you couldn't come out this year.
Danny Durham

Larry Hill · 07-25-2011, 07:00 AM

Thanks Danny, lets hope Bob can find the picture. It would be fun to see all the pictures taken at the Class Nationals by everyone.

TOM KASCH · 07-26-2011, 08:49 AM

here is a link to our photos from 2000-03.
The class nationals pictures are mixed in , I didn't make a different album for that race on line.

http://public.fotki.com/tk3300/2000_super_stock_/

TOM KASCH · 07-26-2011, 08:52 AM

By the way bob Rice is bed ridden now for 3 months. Will retire.

Coming along ,but say a prayer for him,too.

07-23-2011, 01:27 AM	#1
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 474 Times in 117 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals people always talk about the good old days... memory makes it seem better i think. i do not see alex posting on here and im not an authority on what all took place but i was there crew chiefing for MJ Quinn... yeah it was GREAT most cars ever, superb idea and lots of work on alex and a few others part cannot say enough about what they accomplished > it paved the way for the sportsnationals (of course NHRA greedily took them over to thier tracks except pats who also stuck his *** out) yeah it was HOT, real hot, even 10 years ago i was younger HOT... i do remember the issues... after the no breakout race grumbling about BEAR running IHRA class not nhra better index... grumbling about teardown, all passed but terry bell made statement about "worst heads he's ever seen etc"... but did not toss anyone due to fear of legal repercussions and without an association behind him could be personally liable. grumbling about failure to pay posted contingency money and no recourse (see above)... i cant think of anything else right now BUT i do remember people ripping ALEX's * on this forum, and the other one, and everywhere we went for 1/2 year like HE did something wrong instead of all this warm and fuzzy ** i am reading now ! i would go again in a minute, i go to pats every year 1700 miles round trip i would support alex any time again anyway, if i offended anyone im sorry... if i am wrong someone with facts set me straight... not trying to ruin this nostalgic thread but i remember ALEX's screwing. captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

07-23-2011, 08:22 AM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals Captain, you are right as usual. There was some bitching on the forums about the ususal nothing, sorta like now. As far as the pay, I think I won the most, and I got every dollar & part that was promised that was anyway possible to deliver. There were several postings from very reputable machine and speed shops that because I live so far south were just impossible to do, but they were offered and it was my problem not getting the services. But then if God appreared and offered a new Mustang CJ or Mopar DP that would run far under the index for free, these same people would bitch cause it ain't a 69 Camaro. The great memories of that race far outnumber the nitwits that had negative comments. I think Alex should do it again. One good story is I met the Mayor of Byron, IL. Interesting how she annexed the track into the city limits to get the tax revenue, and stop the greenies, yuppies that came with the atomic reactor that were not there before, and wanted to close the track. You gotta like that person. Great race, and a great time. I got a picture of my class plaque and my big trophy. I will try to send it to someone to post on this thread. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

07-23-2011, 08:59 AM	#4
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals Terry ,the old saying you ain't cheating til you get caught. Hard to get caught anymore with the rule bending and the head-turning (no pun intended) If you do see something most of the time it's same ole story = well it passed all year like this and so and so has the same thing and on and on...... It's hard to police today as no help and knowledge as the older days . there are just a hand full of good tech guys left..And i respect everyone of them cause they have their hands full .As we say "now" things have changed and i could not agree more......I'm retired now so go ahead and wear me out.......I probably already heard it at some point and time....Love y'all........... __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

07-23-2011, 05:53 PM	#5
Beth Denysenko Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 426 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals We still talk about doing a USCN2 frequently around the house.......and we have lots and lots of pictures from the event. I will put it as a top priority to work on scanning some of the pics and posting them on our website as I have time. __________________ Beth Denysenko P/SA 330 www.moneymakerracing.net

07-24-2011, 08:38 AM	#6
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,635 Likes: 1,929 Liked 10,691 Times in 2,227 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals I would love to see and buy the picture of Jerry Newsome and myself leaving the line together with wheels in the air. Thanks again to Jeff and Carolyn Teuton for buying supper for all the racers at the country club. Jeff had to win the race to break even for the weekend. My Class Winner plaque is mounted highest on the wall. Thanks to everyone who made it the race to remember. The competion was hotter than the weater, and man was it HOT. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

07-24-2011, 11:21 PM	#7
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals Larry,,,like I told you last year, on the swing,,I got a great shot of you two launching wheels up high in the air on that pass. Bob Rice has my USCN photos right now, so maybe if he can go through them, dig it out and post it on here we can all enjoy it. What do you think Bob,,can you find it?? Take care Larry,,too bad you couldn't come out this year. Danny Durham

07-25-2011, 07:00 AM	#8
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,635 Likes: 1,929 Liked 10,691 Times in 2,227 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals Thanks Danny, lets hope Bob can find the picture. It would be fun to see all the pictures taken at the Class Nationals by everyone. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

07-26-2011, 08:49 AM	#9
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals here is a link to our photos from 2000-03. The class nationals pictures are mixed in , I didn't make a different album for that race on line. http://public.fotki.com/tk3300/2000_super_stock_/

07-26-2011, 08:52 AM	#10
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: 10 years ago today--U.S. Class Nationals By the way bob Rice is bed ridden now for 3 months. Will retire. Coming along ,but say a prayer for him,too.