Track is making up rules

[larry dowty]

phillip just me but if you go faster then 12.00 you should be out, i see know reason to let you go 11.99 and win, if you both go 11.99 both are out.

[bad man]

Larry did not read my post and still doesnt understand bracket racing. 11.99 has nothing to do with dialing your car 12.00 it is just a brake out. its still the closet one to your legal dial in that counts. Last year we could only dial 12.80 in sportsman so are you saying if you run 12.79 your kicked out ? I broke out a lot of racers running in the 12.70 and if i was closer to my 12.80 dial i usually won the race on there brake out but no one was ever dq for brakeing out. DON THE WORM ELGIN

[Toby Lang]

Mark,

Sounds like a familiar story to me. A few people who are dialing 12.0s and running in the 11s occasionally are winning a few races, so they must have an unfair advantage.

Kind of like those people who used to knock the pre-stage lights out.


-Toby

[Hudlow66]

Same deal in Pro. Div.6 changed Pro bracket to 9.0 (for a min.) last year. I went to the bracket finals in Mission and ran many (many) 9.01-9.04 passes. I asked Adams what would happen if I happen to run a 8.99. Would I be tossed? He said no and not to worry about it. Just dial 9.00 and have at it. If it's a double breakout and I was closer to my dial, I'd still be in with no issues. 9.00 in Pro and 12.00 in Spt., is simpily the quickest one can dial, in said classes. No cause to DQ for running under.

[goinbroke2]

12:00 is the quickest you can DIAL, not the quickest you can RUN.

You dial 13:00 and run 12:50 and I dial 12:00 and run 11:51.

I win because;
(1) I dialed within the parameters of the class (12:00 minimum) and
(2) you broke out worse.

Unless it is stated in clear and concise wording that "you cannot run quicker than minimum dial" it is horsecrap.

On the other hand there is also the "it's my racetrack and I'll do what I like, you don't like it then leave" mentality which never helps.

[Harry 6674]

I was racing in Woodburn Ore. a few years ago and trying to slow down enough to race in sportsman. My first two time shots were .05-.08 to fast and was told to move to pro or park it. Simple as that. They evidently feel that you should be in the correct class for your cars capability to lessen the chance of having to dynamite the brakes to take a bunch off.

[goinbroke2]

And I fully agree with that. However, if you would of slowed down enough not to raise eyebrows and be able to dial inside the class, there would be no issue.
In other words, if your running a 10 sec car and slow it to 13:00 and dial it 13:00 there is no issue. And if your running 13:00 at 110mph..well your the same as a new stock 5.0 mustang with a good top end charge. (and no I don't agree with a 13:00 170mph car running 13:00 97mph cars)

[n5ifi]

I find it shocking that so many of you guys don't know what you are talking about.
The way it is. The way it has always been.
In a 12 flat to 13.99 class, (Call it PRO) No Car can DIAL quicker than 12.00 flat.
The car could be capable of running 10.99 and provided it meets all of the requirements to go that quick/fast and meets all the requirements of the 12 to 13.99 class,(like DOT legal tires only or no back half cars, or chassis cars, no dragsters allowed) It could legally run under the index, it just can't DIAL under the index.
As a track owner I would simply ban any electronics or throttle stops (except mechanical stops) and be done with it.
In this case the guy is running right on the index and as the air gets better he is capable of going under the index. No big deal. He cannot DIAL quicker than 12 flat and as long as he meets any and all the rules to go quicker than 12 flat he is legal to run under the index without fault.

[Phillip marvetz]

It seems personal feelings and beliefs sometimes get in the way of the rule book. I hope this thread has given some of you reason to reflect on how the tracks near you do things and why they do them that way.



Thank you to all whom contributed, I appreciate your input.

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by n5ifi

I find it shocking that so many of you guys don't know what you are talking about.
The way it is. The way it has always been.
In a 12 flat to 13.99 class, (Call it PRO) No Car can DIAL quicker than 12.00 flat.
The car could be capable of running 10.99 and provided it meets all of the requirements to go that quick/fast and meets all the requirements of the 12 to 13.99 class,(like DOT legal tires only or no back half cars, or chassis cars, no dragsters allowed) It could legally run under the index, it just can't DIAL under the index.
As a track owner I would simply ban any electronics or throttle stops (except mechanical stops) and be done with it.
In this case the guy is running right on the index and as the air gets better he is capable of going under the index. No big deal. He cannot DIAL quicker than 12 flat and as long as he meets any and all the rules to go quicker than 12 flat he is legal to run under the index without fault.

The last line says it all, as long as car is certified to run faster than the dial.

I think the first thing you should do is ask the people who put the rule into place and find out why they are doing, maybe they will answer your question.

our local track tech guys are great (atco raceway) and will clarify any questions.