New Ford 5.0 On The Books

[JRyan]

Al,
I'm with you. I'd love too see the new v-6 cars in the guide. I'd buy one for sure then. I still may eventually buy one. Those things are awesome.

Rick

[Paul Wong]

Alan your thinking with your mind not a 22 - 24 year old mind. They want to go fast with the 20" wheels, bluetooth and creature comforts. Hell most of them look at my antique muscle cars and cant figure out why i would use 15" wheels or lack fuel injection.

[novassdude]

Ford is building a lot of very cool Mustangs. It would be very cool if they actually put them in the book. There would be much less bitching if they did it that way instead of just paper combos as they seem fit.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

Alan your thinking with your mind not a 22 - 24 year old mind. They want to go fast with the 20" wheels, bluetooth and creature comforts. Hell most of them look at my antique muscle cars and cant figure out why i would use 15" wheels or lack fuel injection.

Actually, Paul, I was using my "accounting" mind, figuring where to take out weight and expense.

However, I do see your point. The counter point to that is that the people who think that way are never going to race hardcore enough to be in the markets we're talking about.

The object of the exercise that I'm talking about is a light, inexpensive, fast new car, off the showroom floor, much like the Chrysler program that produced the original Road Runner. A real "win on Sunday sell on Monday" car and program that the factories can take full advantage of.

[Jeff Teuton]

When Chevy introduces their special cars, then all will be ok. I know yall feel left out in the cold, and all you bowtie guys and gals are depressed, so I spoke to my daughters who are licenesed mental health professionals, they suggested large amounts of drugs or alcohol to ease the feeling of helplessness. Till then chill, other than class (which we will see how that works this year) , or the very occasional heads up, it's a bracket race with specs. Don't do like the Greeks and riot in the streets.

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

When Chevy introduces their special cars, then all will be ok. I know yall feel left out in the cold, and all you bowtie guys and gals are depressed, so I spoke to my daughters who are licenesed mental health professionals, they suggested large amounts of drugs or alcohol to ease the feeling of helplessness. Till then chill, other than class (which we will see how that works this year) , or the very occasional heads up, it's a bracket race with specs. Don't do like the Greeks and riot in the streets.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Jeff your mean! Some can't help it if they're on the losing team! LOL

Seriously, I see where Alan is coming from and I agree. If they would build stripper cars to entice the kids then technically that might help class racing more than a few paper cars to a select few individuals. On the other hand, little old ladies can't cry on the evening news about their 16 year old dead after street racing a stripped down hotrod they just bought him if ford doesn't build/sell them to the public.

Paper cars designed for the track serves 2 purposes for the factories.
1) Gives racers new combo's (and the factories $$$)
2) No liabilities on the streets (I'm suing ford for selling me a car that will go 150mph or is stripped down with no airbags etc)

I too would like to see v-6 and GT mustangs in the guide. (along with about a dozen other fords.....now it's "want to build a ford..here's your choice..mustang". That sucks)

[Ed Wright]

Surely you guys are just being funny. You don't really think it matters to anybody about the brand of a new bogus combo they have to race heads up, do you? Not everybody is so ate up with the name on the valve cover. Some of us have owned and raced cars from all three mfgrs.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Surely you guys are just being funny. You don't really think it matters to anybody about the brand of a new bogus combo they have to race heads up, do you? Not everybody is so ate up with the name on the valve cover. Some of us have owned and raced cars from all three mfgrs.

X's 2. I know I have.

[Thomas]

The engine you have pictured there is NOT a paper engine. The dead give away is on the description tag. It clearly states it's a Laguna Package engine which means it's a BOSS 302 longblock.

FWIW The new 5.0L 4V GT engine is a Coyote.
The BOSS 302 4V engine is a Roadrunner.

Also the proposed NMRA class known as Coyote Stock (C/S) would be limited to a FRPP crate engine with the M-6017-A50XX control pack. No F.A.S.T., BS3 or DFI VII, or ANY kind of tuning in general. No blueprinting, no anything. Also the driveline would be restricted to diaphragm style clutches and street type boxes (Tremec). (Which I think is stupid, so many racers are sick of the NMRA's stance against Long clutches, but that's a gripe for another day).

Suspension wise it would be stock type rear suspension, 26x10.5 tire, no coil overs or mini tubs. Tubular front replacement suspensions allowed.

BTW Why doesn't the NHRA allow these types of front suspensions but will let you convert a Cobalt to RWD?? They are a direct bolt in replacement. That makes no damn sense.

Anyway one last thing the only place this engine is legal in heads up is Factory stock nOT Real Street. It would dominate any other class other than H/S or SSO/Pro 10.5 (6-8 second classes)

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by Thomas

The engine you have pictured there is NOT a paper engine. The dead give away is on the description tag. It clearly states it's a Laguna Package engine which means it's a BOSS 302 longblock.

FWIW The new 5.0L 4V GT engine is a Coyote.
The BOSS 302 4V engine is a Roadrunner.

Also the proposed NMRA class known as Coyote Stock (C/S) would be limited to a FRPP crate engine with the M-6017-A50XX control pack. No F.A.S.T., BS3 or DFI VII, or ANY kind of tuning in general. No blueprinting, no anything. Also the driveline would be restricted to diaphragm style clutches and street type boxes (Tremec). (Which I think is stupid, so many racers are sick of the NMRA's stance against Long clutches, but that's a gripe for another day).

Suspension wise it would be stock type rear suspension, 26x10.5 tire, no coil overs or mini tubs. Tubular front replacement suspensions allowed.

BTW Why doesn't the NHRA allow these types of front suspensions but will let you convert a Cobalt to RWD?? They are a direct bolt in replacement. That makes no damn sense.

Anyway one last thing the only place this engine is legal in heads up is Factory stock nOT Real Street. It would dominate any other class other than H/S or SSO/Pro 10.5 (6-8 second classes)

The engine pictured there is my engine, I know what it is. What has been put into the guide is neither a GT nor a Boss production engine. Both production engines are 11:1 compression, not 12.5:1. Neither has a 12MM lift exhaust cam, the GT is 11MM, and the Boss 13MM.

And yes the pricing on the Boss longblock has been raised significantly now. I paid $6133 back in February.