worst red light debate, again!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Terry,
Something keeps bringing you back here. Maybe you're expecting to see intelligent thought processes ...Maybe that's expecting too much...Either way, I know it's the highlight of MY day. I hope it goes on in perpetuity ...

Mark,this usually is a fun/silly thread.Then some self ritious narcissistists get on here and
cheapen the fun factor.
I expect Bill to keep up his crusade,what else does he have to do.But others should be sharpening their starting line skills instaed of perpetuating this lost cause.Know what I mean?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

This, from a guy who has steadfastly refused to answer every question about procedural red light rules I have asked for the last several weeks. You usually just act like you didn't SEE the question, but this time you failed to answer the quetion I asked, and instead, answered one I didn't ask.

A handout, regarding whom you think benefits ("slow cars?") as to the rules change, because NHRA made the change has NOTHING to do with a rules-oriented "handout" that might give an advantage to one group, or another.

This rule change would not benefit ANY ONE GROUP, but instead would benefit EVERYONE by placing EVERY COMPETITOR under EQUAL red light jeopardy, something that doesn't exist, now... a fact you don't seem to want to talk about, and one I'm not at all sure you understand.

Don't you think that the goal of protocol/rules would be to have rules that apply to EVERYONE RACING?

I think that's a "no brainer." The teardown barn has ONE SET of measuring tools to ensure that a 4" bore on one car is the same size as a 4" bore on eevery other car.

But you think it's perfectly OK to have ONE SET of red light rules for first-to-leave cars and a different set for second-to-leave cars. Full red light jeopardy for the first-to-leave car, but NO red light jeopardy, for the second-to-leave car, if the first car "bulbs."
It's unnecessary and unfair. Time to change it.

If you can't understand THAT, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Bill, I answered with I DON'T CARE IF THEY CHANGE OR NOT, and YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME COMPLAINING HERE. and WHY DON'T YOU APPROACH THE PEOPLE THAT CAN CHANGE IT? What don't you understand about that? I tried typing slower, guess that didn't help.

Many people have answered your silly questions, but most of their answers don't fit what you want to hear so you just keep repeating them and complaining that nobody will answer you.

I usually enjoy tweaking you just to see how long you will go, but your starting to get a little testy. LOL

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Terry,
Something keeps bringing you back here. Maybe you're expecting to see intelligent thought processes ...Maybe that's expecting too much...Either way, I know it's the highlight of MY day. I hope it goes on in perpetuity ...

You must have very boring days !

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mark,this usually is a fun/silly thread.Then some self ritious narcissistists get on here and
cheapen the fun factor.
I expect Bill to keep up his crusade,what else does he have to do.But others should be sharpening their starting line skills instaed of perpetuating this lost cause.Know what I mean?

Yeah Ed, I'm going to go out to the team race on Friday night, drink myself a Rockstar or two, and chase everybody down in Sportsman.
Maybe I'll draw a red light or two and get myself a handout!

Terry, It's Obamanomics that are causing all my free time.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Jim,do yourself a favor and stop trying to analyze my thought process and go practice your starting line techniques so that this red light rule won't play so much on your mind.
Bill,your a pathetic old has been.Now you criticize my spelling.Get a f*cking life .

I didn't criticize it; I just corrected it. Is it so unimportant to you to be right about ANYTHING, or are you just getting used to being wrong?

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill, I answered with I DON'T CARE IF THEY CHANGE OR NOT, and YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME COMPLAINING HERE. and WHY DON'T YOU APPROACH THE PEOPLE THAT CAN CHANGE IT? What don't you understand about that? I tried typing slower, guess that didn't help.

Many people have answered your silly questions, but most of their answers don't fit what you want to hear so you just keep repeating them and complaining that nobody will answer you.

I usually enjoy tweaking you just to see how long you will go, but your starting to get a little testy. LOL

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Ed #2 sed: "I DON'T CARE IF THEY CHANGE OR NOT."
See, I never asked you whether you care... that was not the question.

Ed #2 also said: "YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME COMPLAINING HERE."
I didn't ask your opinion of that, either.

Ed #2 said, "your silly questions." Give me an example of one of my "silly questions."
Please. Just one. You can do it,,, can't you?

Ed #2 also asked, "WHY DON'T YOU APPROACH THE PEOPLE THAT CAN CHANGE IT? "

Did you not read the reasons I posted THREE TIMES in this forum, that explained the situation with NHRA, and the reasons why NOW is NOT a good time for a petition about this??? Apparently not...

If you did, just type an X; if you didn't, type 2 X's.
That should be within your capability.

NOW, how about answering the 2 questions that I DID ask, so I don't have to type them again and again, and again????

I wrote:
1. Faster cars have been enjoying a "hand out" since 1963 (the FREE RIDE if their competitor "bulbs.")

If that isn't a "hand out," I don't know what is....
Where is your objection to THAT "hand out"?????

2. You have NEVER told me what there is about a "worse red light rule" that qualifies it for being labeled a "handout."

That rule is the same for every racer. EVERYBODY gets a chance to red light. And, why shouldn't they?

Where's the "handout"??????????

I really would like to know what there is about a rule that's the same for everybody, that compels you to call it a "handout."

You addressed "handouts" from NHRA, but not in the context that they are something that would give a car or group of cars an advantage (a "handout"). A double red light rule gives the advantage to NOBODY. Why would anybody with the ability to think, be against a rule like that?
So, after answering TWO questions that were NEVER asked, how about answering these two that WERE asked?

[Jim Wahl]

Bill. Stop. Nobody who can get up in the morning and tie their own shoes (maybe they use velcro) is as stupid as these two. They have to be just yanking your chain and wait for you to respond. They will NEVER answer your questions because they can't! Your frustration is showing and they are feeding off of it and tag teaming you. Please stop giving them the satisfaction they get out of being morons. Jim

[Ed Wright]

Bill, I thought you were done with me? LMAO

Of course, several pages ago you were done with this, you were going to work on the race car. That didn't last long. LOL

Your so easy to tweak.

Anyway, you can stick your questions up your butt, because I don't care if they change it or not. I don't owe you answers to your dumb-azzed questions. Your the one that thinks there is a problem. I don't. Most don't.

Wahl, what do you do for a living? You think you are so much brighter than I, just what do you do?

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Since none of the two Ed's or Jeff can communicate a real reason that they oppose Bill's "worse red light" rule and yet have such a passionate negativity for it, it leads me to believe, in my professional opinion, that they could be suffering from what it known as metathesiophobia, commonly refered to "the fear of change". They (particularly the two Ed's) exhibit the common symptoms of:

1. A feeling of uncontrollable anxiety when you think about or are exposed to changes.

2. The feeling that you must do everything possible to avoid changes.

3. The inability to function normally because of your anxiety.

4. The knowledge that your fears are unreasonable or exaggerated but feeling powerless to control them.

I have a friend who has a great website dedicated to just this phobia and I will insert it just as soon as I can find it so that you guys can begin to get some help confronting this problem. Some good reading and I hope it will help you to confront your inner demons.

Here you go:
http://www.phobia-fear-release.com/m...siophobia.html

Bill, I would suggest that you no longer continue the banter with these guys as it has become very obvious to most people who have followed this thread that they do not have anything to useful contribute to the conversation and are just feeding off of your justifiable frustration. I have received many positive emails and would enjoy communicating with you one on one to plan a strategy on this "worse red light" situation. Feel good in the fact that there are many out there who agree with you, if for no other reason but to bring consistency to the rules, and would post just that here but do not feel like being beaten up for voicing their opinions. Me, I have thick skin and I love to try to improve the system! Jim

jimwahl@embarqmail.com

No Jim
No Bill

I have given a reason more than once. If I give a reason and you fail to recognize it as such, you either disagree with it and refuse to recognize it as valid or you refuse to recognize it because it just might make sense. NHRA told me it made sense and it took all of 3 seconds for the NHRA Glendora based official (that would be management level, rule maker type, not the janitor or receptionist type). Either way, it appears to me you want to bury any opposition with page after page of the same rhetoric and the same "repeat after me mantras." I do not have the time or desire to repeat it again. Hell I don't have the time to read the posts on this subject from the last 5 hours. My comments are posted here more than once, find it and study it because I'm not looking for it and I surely don't have the time to type out 300 paragraphs a day that say the same thing over and over again. So if you don't get it then stay focused on the mantra. "red light not fair, red light not fair..."

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

No Jim
No Bill

I have given a reason more than once. If I give a reason and you fail to recognize it as such, you either disagree with it and refuse to recognize it as valid or you refuse to recognize it because it just might make sense. NHRA told me it made sense and it took all of 3 seconds for the NHRA Glendora based official (that would be management level, rule maker type, not the janitor or receptionist type). Either way, it appears to me you want to bury any opposition with page after page of the same rhetoric and the same "repeat after me mantras." I do not have the time or desire to repeat it again. Hell I don't have the time to read the posts on this subject from the last 5 hours. My comments are posted here more than once, find it and study it because I'm not looking for it and I surely don't have the time to type out 300 paragraphs a day that say the same thing over and over again. So if you don't get it then stay focused on the mantra. "red light not fair, red light not fair..."

Not sure what you are talking about? I stated several times you HAD stated a reason why you were opposed to Bill's idea. Look back at my posts if you want. I just don't think that your reason " I built my car to take advantage of the red light situation and to change it would be unfair to me" (summarizing here) is a great reason not to change it. That's all. Jim

.Why are you up so late?

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