worst red light debate, again!

Jim Wahl · 05-22-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Toby I just think that we should all just go out there and race.If we go red then we just pack up and try to do better next time.This thread is all bull$hit.A waste of time, more that we devote to find ways to be out there racing and maybe working to make useful inprovements towards S/SS racing.

I'll go you one better Ed. How about we just go out there and all race heads up and the first one to the finish line wins, no red lights and no dial ins? I think that would be great, don't you? I'd win at least half the time and you ......well.....not so much huh? You probably would get tired of getting spanked by every other car that showed up except for maybe the occasional EF/S combo. You might not agree with this but so what, I want it like this! Why? Well just because. Who cares if you think it's not fair! After all we have other things we could be "crying" to NHRA about don't we? I think we can change the purses from paying only $1000 to win to $5000 if we just concentrate on that and screw the small stuff we can get that done real soon!

Now, obviously the above paragraph is not how I really feel but it makes as much sense as your answer to Toby's post and the other reasons you have posted on this subject. Thanks for playing. Try again soon. Jim

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Ed Fernandez · 05-22-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I'll go you one better Ed. How about we just go out there and all race heads up and the first one to the finish line wins, no red lights and no dial ins? I think that would be great, don't you? I'd win at least half the time and you ......well.....not so much huh? You probably would get tired of getting spanked by every other car that showed up except for maybe the occasional EF/S combo. You might not agree with this but so what, I want it like this! Why? Well just because. Who cares if you think it's not fair! After all we have other things we could be "crying" to NHRA about don't we? I think we can change the purses from paying only $1000 to win to $5000 if we just concentrate on that and screw the small stuff we can get that done real soon!

Now, obviously the above post is not how I really feel but it makes as much sense as your answer to Toby's post and the other reasons you have posted on this subject. Thanks for playing. Try again soon. Jim

The system as it is now works just fine for me.And I'm among the maybe 5% of the guys who leave first almost every elimination run.I've done alright with the spectre of the red light rule hanging over my head now for the last 11 years running stock.Maybe if some of you guys concentrated more on your starting line abilities,instead of finding ways to
"improve" your chances of winning,you would go more rounds and this bull$hit problem
wouldn't be so much of a problem.Maybe if the non racing members here found another
outlet for their crusades they would get up in the morning without thinking someone pi$$ed in their cornflakes.Right Mr. Bill and John the Shadow?

bill dedman · 05-23-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

The system as it is now works just fine for me.And I'm among the maybe 5% of the guys who leave first almost every elimination run.I've done alright with the spectre of the red light rule hanging over my head now for the last 11 years running stock.Maybe if some of you guys concentrated more on your starting line abilities,instead of finding ways to
"improve" your chances of winning,you would go more rounds and this bull$hit problem
wouldn't be so much of a problem.Maybe if the non racing members here found another
outlet for their crusades they would get up in the morning without thinking someone pi$$ed in their cornflakes.Right Mr. Bill and John the Shadow?

Let me get this straight: You have been racing for ELEVEN YEARS and have won HOW MANY National events???

I haven't run my car at ANY NHRA events, and have won just as many as you have.

And, you think that system works "JUST FINE" for you????

What's wrong with this picture???

For all the national event wins you have under your belt, you might as well have left your car at home in the garage. All you have done is to provide cannon fodder for these guys taking advantage of the second to leave "free ride," red light rule. If not, they at least had the opportunity.

That would make ME want to piss in somebody's Wheaties, 'til I got the worse red light rule instated.

"Masochism".... "pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation."

Read it and weep....

Jim Wahl · 05-23-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

The system as it is now works just fine for me.And I'm among the maybe 5% of the guys who leave first almost every elimination run.I've done alright with the spectre of the red light rule hanging over my head now for the last 11 years running stock.Maybe if some of you guys concentrated more on your starting line abilities,instead of finding ways to
"improve" your chances of winning,you would go more rounds and this bull$hit problem
wouldn't be so much of a problem.Maybe if the non racing members here found another
outlet for their crusades they would get up in the morning without thinking someone pi$$ed in their cornflakes.Right Mr. Bill and John the Shadow?

I think what Bill is saying is that the system might be "working" now but it could work just a little bit better for "all", not just the last car to leave. It comes as no surprise to me that the majority of the people opposed to Bill's thoughts are the ones with the faster cars who would have a perceived advantage taken away from them. The notion that you have no say if you are a "non-racing member" is just plain dumb. If that were the case Ed, you would actually be in that category as according to the stats you haven't made a single race this year. Pretty dumb reason isn't it? Just as dumb as most of the reasons disagreeing with Bill's posts. I think Jeff came the closest to giving a viable reason of just about anyone here when he said he built a car to take advantage of an unfair situation that this rule change would negate but that still doesn't hold water with me.

The "worse red light" rule would hurt no one. It would even the playing field for 99.9 % of the non heads up races today! The technology exists to do this today, it did not in the past. It should be changed. It would make the rules of NHRA and IHRA if nothing else, consistent. Aren't we all looking for consistency? Jim

Just my opinion. I am entitled to it since I have been class racing for 45 years now. Right Ed? Please send me your phone number so I can call you and get tips on how to improve my starting line abilities!

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Ed Fernandez · 05-23-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I think what Bill is saying is that the system might be "working" now but it could work just a little bit better for "all", not just the last car to leave. It comes as no surprise to me that the majority of the people opposed to Bill's thoughts are the ones with the faster cars who would have a perceived advantage taken away from them. The notion that you have no say if you are a "non-racing member" is just plain dumb. If that were the case Ed, you would actually be in that category as according to the stats you haven't made a single race this year. Pretty dumb reason isn't it? Just as dumb as most of the reasons disagreeing with Bill's posts. I think Jeff came the closest to giving a viable reason of just about anyone here when he said he built a car to take advantage of an unfair situation that this rule change would negate but that still doesn't hold water with me.

The "worse red light" rule would hurt no one. It would even the playing field for 99.9 % of the non heads up races today! The technology exists to do this today, it did not in the past. It should be changed. It would make the rules of NHRA and IHRA if nothing else, consistent. Aren't we all looking for consistency? Jim

Just my opinion. I am entitled to it since I have been class racing for 45 years now. Right Ed? Please send me your phone number so I can call you and get tips on how to improve my starting line abilities!

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You're right,I haven't been out yet.I'll be at Englishtown in two weeks and what ever race after that I can get the money to attend.Since I started in Stock (1999) except for 2006 and this year,I haven't had less than a 6 grade points (most years 8-9).
As far as improving your starting line skills,if you haven't gotten it down in 45 years,divine
intervention couldn't help you.So I guess the red light rule change would be a moot point for you.

bill dedman · 05-24-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I think what Bill is saying is that the system might be "working" now but it could work just a little bit better for "all", not just the last car to leave. The "worse red light" rule would hurt no one. It would even the playing field for 99.9 % of the non heads up races today! The technology exists to do this today, it did not in the past. It should be changed. It would make the rules of NHRA and IHRA if nothing else, consistent. Aren't we all looking for consistency? Jim

Just my opinion. I am entitled to it since I have been class racing for 45 years now. Right Ed? Please send me your phone number so I can call you and get tips on how to improve my starting line abilities!

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Jim Wahl said,

"I think what Bill is saying is that the system might be "working" now..."

It's "working," to the extent that it's not obvious enough that it's "unfair," that enough people who realize its favoritism, currently cause disturbances on the starting lines, but the more people come to realize that it's an easy fix, and one that is long overdue, and MORE unfair to a certain segment of the field, the more likely that is to happen.