worst red light debate, again!

[jimi]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

when i responded to this note, i was in the middle of something else, and said some things i shouldn't have said. I apologize for having said those things,

what i meant to say was this:

As regards your comment, "i insult and make fun of people who deserve it."

why do i deserve to be insulted and laughed at? For suggesting ways to make drag racing more fair for everybody? They say, "no good deed goes unpunished." is this your effort to make that saying come true?

Your comment, "you're a lonely old guy with nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit."


i don't know how much you know about my social life, but "lonely," i am not. As far as, " nothing else to do but instigate a topic that will not affect you one bit," i have told you repeatedly that the rules for bracket racing as regards the starting line, are exactly the same as class racing rules, so, when i race (and, i do) it will affect me. If it didn't, i wouldn't be here. I have told you that, repeatedly too... Don't you listen?


You commented, "you're what's known in the present world as an "advocate."
i think that's an apt description. The online business dictionary says, "advocate... A person who supports a cause and exercises his right to be heard..."

that's me, all right!


Re: Your comment, " if you were a current of future s/ss racer i would have engaged in a civil discussion.but you're a nosey old busy body,nothing more nothing less."

no, i am a person who suffers under the same, universal, unfair set of rules that entail having an undue share of red light jeopardy foisted upon me, just like almost everybody else (cars that are never first-to-leave, excepted.) you, are a masochistic, "stomp me again; i like it" racer who has no concept of fairness or parity. Just because you have no objection to getting kicked in the face over and over again, doesn't mean that everybody enjoys that kind of abuse. Think of somebody besides yourself for a change...

There's no excuse for name-calling and abusive behavior on this bb. People who stoop to that, just admit intellectual bankrupty... Check out the "subject" line, up top...

hey bill i think it is time for you to retire!!!!!! Its getting old and all you do is complain!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incase you have not gotten it yet nobody! Let me repeat that................. Nobody cares that you think the rules are unfair !!!!!!! Could you hear that ? Wait turn up your hearing aid!!!!! I dont care what you think and from reading this post most people dont either!!!!!! Lay it to rest and move on to something else that is not complaining.

[Bob Mulry]

[jimi..hey bill i think it is time for you to retire!!!!!! Its getting old and all you do is complain!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incase you have not gotten it yet nobody! Let me repeat that................. Nobody cares that you think the rules are unfair !!!!!!! Could you hear that ? Wait turn up your hearing aid!!!!! I dont care what you think and from reading this post most people dont either!!!!!! Lay it to rest and move on to something else that is not complaining.]

Jimi,

I believe that you are a cowardly, disrespectful POS, who doesn't use their real name to post..

Ed is some of the above, but at least he uses his name........

Bob

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If you're looking over your shoulder for the whole race, you're doing it wrong. And you're trying to think too much.

The starting line, by the very nature of handicap racing, is unequal. So is the finish line.

That's no joke, and the benefit of the cars with ground effects proves that...another topic for another thread.

[Ed Fernandez]

Bob.I've read a lot of your posts and agreed with some of them and not others.I haven't
gotten to deep into any subject on Classracer,
gave my opinion and then tryed to give some levity after that.
This red light thread is different.If Dedman was an anyway affected by this rule as a S/SS racer I could see his un ending posts.He is a bracket racer.He says he bracket races.He
does not race a class car in the Lucas Oil sportsman series.If he wants to bust NHRAs balls in the Summit Racing Series,more power to him.Why should he try to get rules changed in a series he's not a participant in?Answer that for me.
As far as labeling me,I could give 2 $hits less.I'm a big boy and I've been called worse.Like you said,at least I use my name,unlike Bill's new no name supporter.or I should
say athletic supporter.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

This red light thread is different.If Dedman was an anyway affected by this rule as a S/SS racer I could see his un ending posts.He is a bracket racer.He says he bracket races.He does not race a class car in the Lucas Oil sportsman series.f he wants to bust NHRAs balls in the Summit Racing Series,more power to him.Why should he try to get rules changed in a series he's not a participant in?Answer that for me.
.

Isn't T/SA a bracket class ??? Surely not a class car.....what only TWO of them in the nation ? You and some guy from Missouri named Bob Shaw !! :-)

[Mike Carr]

John Kelley, sometimes the more you post on here, the less inteligent you seem.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Isn't T/SA a bracket class ??? Surely not a class car.....what only TWO of them in the nation ? You and some guy from Missouri named Bob Shaw !! :-)

John,theres more than that for your inquiring mind.Cap't Jack,Billy Nee's Nees' Pieces,
Billy's new GP,I believe the Siebenecks can run T and others.Get your facts straight before you make your snarky remarks.
And now with the new class runoffs it doesn't matter if I'm the only T car.I'll run all the other single class cars.Tune in to Drag Race Central at Englishtown.If I win class I'll send you the box the Wally comes in,newspaper and all.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

[jimi..hey bill i think it is time for you to retire!!!!!! Its getting old and all you do is complain!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incase you have not gotten it yet nobody! Let me repeat that................. Nobody cares that you think the rules are unfair !!!!!!! Could you hear that ? Wait turn up your hearing aid!!!!! I dont care what you think and from reading this post most people dont either!!!!!! Lay it to rest and move on to something else that is not complaining.]

Jimi,

I believe that you are a cowardly, disrespectful POS, who doesn't use their real name to post..

Ed is some of the above, but at least he uses his name........

Bob

Bob, I'm pretty sure I know who Jimi(B/SA) is. I think he runs an old Mopar in B/SA.

I think it's B, but maybe it can run A/SA and C/SA too.

I know this is shocking news to you.

[Chuck Rayburn]

Bill, before this gets carried away. I would really like to know how many times in the last 10 seasons this "unfair" situation has occurred during all the rounds of competition. I'd be willing to bet big money the probability is less than 5%.
I don't know if you have done the research or not. I do know that in order to be taken seriously by the competition committee, you will need to present some sort of empirical data to support your arguement. If the probability isn't at least 20%, I don't see any reason why NHRA would regard this as an issue.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Chuck Rayburn

Bill, before this gets carried away. I would really like to know how many times in the last 10 seasons this "unfair" situation has occurred during all the rounds of competition. I'd be willing to bet big money the probability is less than 5%.
I don't know if you have done the research or not. I do know that in order to be taken seriously by the competition committee, you will need to present some sort of empirical data to support your arguement. If the probability isn't at least 20%, I don't see any reason why NHRA would regard this as an issue.

Chuck.I'll bet it's less than 5%.How many times,if there's a spot of over say 1 sec. do you see the faster car leave right after the slower guy bulbs?Some guys see the red and decide to leave right away instead of standing on the 2 step/convertor.Sadly this whole thread was a waste of time and energy.But I'm sure someone won't agree.