worst red light debate, again!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

That's true if the only purpose of this site is to generate page hits for advertising. I would like to think that most racers frequent this board to learn how to become more competitive, buy and sell race car part and evolve to become a better racer. People who visit this board for those reasons represent "quality" page hits that are more valuable to advertisers than "non qualified" hits that come here to watch a circus.

The results to that approach are often short lived and usually wind up being counterproductive in the end.

I guess it takes all kinds, but who gets to be the arbitrator that sorts them out ?
You see where nobody can ever agree on anything here for the overall good of the sport.

Oh, and believe me, I've learned a lot here ...about personal agendas

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Mark,

I'm not sure that you are telling the truth about never racing with a flagman....

I thought that you & Chuck Norton came up with the name for dirt??????????

Bob

I didn't say I never SAW that action.

Ct Dragway still had the flags in the base of the tower for many years.
They'd drag them out once in a while when the tree wouldn't work.

Okay, I DID get set out a few car lengths once or twice...Great traction down there :-(

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Hi All,

When I started Drag Racing, both drivers got a "clean" flagman.

If it wasn't a heads up race the slower car, got their spot and moved down the track and sometimes got to race for 1200'.

The poor flagman was sometimes 100' down track...

We didn't have any other way to have a handicap start....

We have come a long way in the last 50 years...so why not take the final step and fix rule by making it just like ALL of the other rules in drag racing "first or worst"

Bob

Bob.I didn't race back then but I remember Garlits say in a tape that the knowledgeable racers then would watch the starters elbow for a slight advantage of knowing when the arm was going to move.I guess that would cancel what you would call a "clean" flag.:>):>):>)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bunkster doesn't drive a race car, does he/she? LOL
Either that, or he/she is so slow that he/she always leaves first.
In that case he/she always has a clean tree and doesn't know the difference.

Ed,this cretin is a wanna be who I'm told raced for about 5 minutes in the past and now just slithers in and makes a post to rile up the troops,then goes back under her rock.

[SStockDart]

I, like many, spent way too much time on this site. I have been following this thread from the beginning, telling myself..........Oh S--- , not again. I believe that I have seen one person referring to NHRA officials as "Idiots". IMO, only a non racer would make that comment. Certainly, those of us that do race would risk being torn down at every event. I have seen "tell me why that is fair", referring to first versus worst, countless times. Let me ask the question: provided both drivers stay in their respective lanes, "How frequently does the driver that cuts the best light and runs closer to their dial win?" The answer: 100% How can you get more fair than that??? We, as drivers know this and I believe that is our intentions each and every time we race. So, forget the first or worst debate, it is a non issue. So the rules for winning are simply stated "cut the best light and run the number, and you win every time". The rules for losers are to foul then bitch about it not being fair. Not once have I heard a fellow racer tell me they lost via red light, then bitch about it or say "It's not fair, the other guy didn't have a chance to red light". We have rules for a reason. Only a fool would go out and build a 1948 Hudson (no offense to the Hudson fans) to run stock eliminator, only to go to the races and find that they can't run it because it is not in the class guide. Some on this thread would probably content that it is unfair and attempt to use twisted logic to change the rules for a problem they created for themself. And isn't a problem for the first red light a problem they created for themselves? I would recommend that those trying to use "Fairness logic" to change the rules, use this energy, and apply their relentless enthusiasm to good use elswhere. Such as: Why is it fair that only selected children get free lunches at school and others have to pay for them through property taxes? Why is it fair that selected ethnicities have more rights than others? How is diversity fair? How is it fair that illegals get free everything? Why don't you tackle important issues and leave the "first or worst" alone?

[Ed Fernandez]

I just checked the entry list for Englishtown (Stock is full) and I see I'm the slowest turtle in the pond.Bill,please get on the horn with NHRA and get that red light rule changed fast.If I happen to get lucky and go some rounds I want the playing field leveled so I can win my first "big" Wally.

Thanks
Ed

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

I, like many, spent way too much time on this site. I have been following this thread from the beginning, telling myself..........Oh S--- , not again. I believe that I have seen one person referring to NHRA officials as "Idiots". IMO, only a non racer would make that comment. Certainly, those of us that do race would risk being torn down at every event. I have seen "tell me why that is fair", referring to first versus worst, countless times. Let me ask the question: provided both drivers stay in their respective lanes, "How frequently does the driver that cuts the best light and runs closer to their dial win?" The answer: 100% How can you get more fair than that??? We, as drivers know this and I believe that is our intentions each and every time we race. So, forget the first or worst debate, it is a non issue. So the rules for winning are simply stated "cut the best light and run the number, and you win every time". The rules for losers are to foul then bitch about it not being fair. Not once have I heard a fellow racer tell me they lost via red light, then bitch about it or say "It's not fair, the other guy didn't have a chance to red light". We have rules for a reason. Only a fool would go out and build a 1948 Hudson (no offense to the Hudson fans) to run stock eliminator, only to go to the races and find that they can't run it because it is not in the class guide. Some on this thread would probably content that it is unfair and attempt to use twisted logic to change the rules for a problem they created for themself. And isn't a problem for the first red light a problem they created for themselves? I would recommend that those trying to use "Fairness logic" to change the rules, use this energy, and apply their relentless enthusiasm to good use elswhere. Such as: Why is it fair that only selected children get free lunches at school and others have to pay for them through property taxes? Why is it fair that selected ethnicities have more rights than others? How is diversity fair? How is it fair that illegals get free everything? Why don't you tackle important issues and leave the "first or worst" alone?

Nicely stated...

[Jeff Lee]

Rate this thread! Presently a 2.00 out of 5.00!

[Mark Yacavone]

I moved it up a whole point...Excellent!

[Bob Mulry]

Ed,

I think you have broken the post counter...........It appears to be stuck at 4008 posts?????

Now you've done it......

No soup for you....

Bob