worst red light debate, again!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Sure, why not? The faster car should always assume the slower car is going to go green, shouldn't they? Then if the slower car does go red they get a bonus, plus a good practice shot at the tree without the red light distracting them.

Or do you think the faster car should always hope the slower car will go red and check to make sure they don't before concentrating on their side of the tree?


-Toby

Toby I just think that we should all just go out there and race.If we go red then we just pack up and try to do better next time.This thread is all bull$hit.A waste of time, more that we devote to find ways to be out there racing and maybe working to make useful inprovements towards S/SS racing.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Additionally, it is a losing battle to try to assess "advantages" like a "clean tree" that will come into play because there is a never-ending list of advantages/disadvantages to running ANY car (slow cars are affected by the weather and wind, more than faster cars; faster cars have traction problems that slower cars don't have) etc., etc., etc....

You just can't legislate advantages/disadvantages, so we need to go with the program that gives an advantage to NOBODY... the worse red light system.

Lets throw out all advantages/disadvantages that don't apply to the tree. Now we have a slow car that has a pretty good idea of when the tree will come down, and a fast car who has to guesstimate when its going to start coming down. If your a blinder racer, its a hell of alot more consistant when your leaving first and have a pretty good idea of when that bulb will light. Go under the blinder when your spotting someone1 sec here, 2.5 there and keeping focus is a little bit harder. In my opinion, major advantage for the slower car. Balance that out with the first to red light rule and its even in my opinion. Not yours, but obviously your in the minority.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I have said before that i am not opposed to it, really don't care one way or the other. .

RIGHT.............Sure you aren't !! hahahahahaha....hahahaha......

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Toby I just think that we should all just go out there and race.If we go red then we just pack up and try to do better next time.This thread is all bull$hit.A waste of time, more that we devote to find ways to be out there racing and maybe working to make useful inprovements towards S/SS racing.

ED...here you are at Post 162 on this thread !
Back at Post # 90 you said you gave up on this..........or did you forget ?? :-)

[Ed Fernandez]

I feel like Don Vito Corleone in the Godfather.I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

So let me see if I have this right.......

If a P/SA with a dial in of 12.70 races an M/SA car with 12.17 dial in the M/SA car is likely to spin the tires because it is the faster of the 2 cars???????????

And on the other hand

It would always make more sense to dial in slower than the car you are racing so that you can leave first and reduce the possibility of tire spin

Makes sense to me,
Bob]

I can't believe that you guys just don’t get it........

This has nothing to do with an A/SA car vs. an M/SA car.

This entire issue is about the car that leaves last can't red-light if the first leaving car goes red...

It's not about a 10 second car vs. a 13 second car, it's about 10.20 vs. a 10.00 car.

It's about a 12.50 car racing 13.00 second car..

It's about a 14.10 car vs. 14.15 car..

If you get it you get....if you don't you don't

Bob

PS: Bill everybody is saying that the first car to leave has a greater chance to spin the tires.........Sooooooooooo don't leave first and you are safe.

Just my humor, but I guess I missed...

I don't know what you're smokin', but I need some of it.... LOL!

[Bimbo Jones]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

If that's all it takes to lose you, you weren't very convinced in the first place.

Is BIMBO your real name?

I just don't have a dog in this hunt at the present. But if I did I thought Steve Taylor was correct and the WRLR should diffenently be used in S/P Electronics. And if it is well received there then we wouldn't be having this debate.
BTW, Bimbo is a nickname I got growing up in Ark.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Bimbo Jones

I just don't have a dog in this hunt at the present. But if I did I thought Steve Taylor was correct and the WRLR should diffenently be used in S/P Electronics. And if it is well received there then we wouldn't be having this debate.
BTW, Bimbo is a nickname I got growing up in Ark.

Thanks for the reply. Steve was the one who convinced me that this worse red light rule was the only really fair way to run things with regard to how red lights are handled, rules-wise, but if it's valid for one handicapped eliminator (S/P), it should work for all of them.

It's a moot point though, because, as most of us agree, it's never gonna happen.

And, that's a shame...

[X-TECH MAN]

All this arguing is a waste of time. The REAL problem is how are you going to afford the gas or diesel to get to a race in the future. Its already $4.15 for diesel and $3.92 for gas here in the center of Florida. Its supposed to be $6 a gallon for gas and diesel will be even higher by mid summer. Diesel is the same crap you guys in the north heat your homes with minus the road use taxes. It wont be long until no one will be going to the races and the tracks will go out of business. The only ones showing up to a race will be those who have more money than brains. Do you think the tracks (bracket races, NHRA or IHRA events ) will keep paying the purses when only 5 to 10 cars show up. The cost of eating is rising. Now I know some on here have all the money in the world to pay for your toys but not all of us are in that position. Give this red light deal a rest until some of the other problems with this country are fixed.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

All this arguing is a waste of time. The REAL problem is how are you going to afford the gas or diesel to get to a race in the future. Its already $4.15 for diesel and $3.92 for gas here in the center of Florida. Its supposed to be $6 a gallon for gas and diesel will be even higher by mid summer. Diesel is the same crap you guys in the north heat your homes with minus the road use taxes. It wont be long until no one will be going to the races and the tracks will go out of business. The only ones showing up to a race will be those who have more money than brains. Do you think the tracks (bracket races, NHRA or IHRA events ) will keep paying the purses when only 5 to 10 cars show up. The cost of eating is rising. Now I know some on here have all the money in the world to pay for your toys but not all of us are in that position. Give this red light deal a rest until some of the other problems with this country are fixed.

The real problem is what are we doing about the problem ? if all we do is complain amoug our selves then nothing will happen . i say fax your concerns to the congress every day > i know i have > we must make them act or it is our fault nothing is going right