worst red light debate, again!

[7423]

Better rest now Bill, take your meds, you have been typing way too much!!

Actually I can't believe you are still ranting about this, or anything else for that matter.......

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

None of the problems you brought up have a lifespan of 48 years... nor do any of them have the option oif such an easy fix.

Let's fix what we CAN, and worry about the hard ones, later.

By all means, yes, let's rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic after it hits the iceberg, and the bow is slipping beneath the waves.

Because it is so easy to rearrange the deck chairs, and it'll matter so damned much as the hull slams into the bottom of the ocean.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Hey, Ed, why don't you quit spamming this thread? We get the picture. How many times are you going to post the same thing over and over again?

Please put this thread in your ignore list or when you see a new post to this thread don't click on it, OK?


-Toby

Crap! I missed six pages! LMAO!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

You're not quite understanding what I'm saying. When the slower car leaves his green light will come on just like normal -- even if he red lights. The red light won't come on until after the faster cars leaves.

Everything will happen just like it does now, except the red light won't be displayed until both cars have left the line. So you can judge your light off the green just like before.


-Toby

Careful Toby, that makes sense (just like what Bill has been saying as well does)! However, they've shown me clearly with all of the recent enhancements how they (NHRA), care about us sportsman racers by letting our one true media outlet "Inside Drag Racing", go the way of the dinosaur...

I saw the light of what Bill's saying when I first read this topic 2yrs ago, but unlike other things that were changed over time, this probably won't for the simple reason that the majority of people it would possibly benefit, don't want it to change, and majority rules. Case in point: Back in the 80's when Ford was going to place their beloved "Mustang" name on a joint venture car between them and Mazda, the Mustang lovers united (in large numbers), and told Ford you better not tarnish the great American name of Mustang by placing its letters on what became the Probe. Chevrolet on the other hand was more like the detractors (on this thread to Bill), as they insulted the great name of Nova, by placing it on a joint venture product with Toyota, before it later became the Geo Prizm. The Nova lovers didn't protest it and/or weren't large in their numbers, so to Chevrolet no harm, no foul...sad, very sad. Numbers matter, and those who think this makes since are far outnumbered by those who don't, or don't care, so it becomes wishful thinking. However who knows, I can remember when stockers didn't allow wheelie bars on them and that changed, so who knows? It's worth a call to try and get the Glendora group to consider it?

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Crap! I missed six pages! LMAO!

-Toby

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

You're not quite understanding what I'm saying. When the slower car leaves his green light will come on just like normal -- even if he red lights. The red light won't come on until after the faster cars leaves.

Everything will happen just like it does now, except the red light won't be displayed until both cars have left the line. So you can judge your light off the green just like before.


-Toby

So now besides appeasing the yahoos that want this rule changed you're proposing that the first car,when he leaves,is given a green light on his side of the tree.Then after the second car leaves the redlight will come on?You're a great racer but I think you've
inhaled a bit too many fumes over the years.A system like this makes no sense.Go on and keep singing Kumbaya with our champion ranter from Texas.My brain is swelling from reading this load of crappola.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

[ faster cars have traction problems that slower cars don't have) etc., etc., etc...]

I guess that you didn't see my earlier post about ALWAYS dialing slower than your opponent so that you won't spin your tires.....

Bob

That quote you replied to is true, but slower cars have traction challenges too (especially fwd cars), that faster cars don't as well...no spools and posi units in most fwd cars (it's hard enough to steer the darn things w/o power steering, guess I need to eat more Wheaties, lol)! Thus a lot of open differentials (getting both tires to have the same kind of burnout is harder as well), are the primary challenge to our cars.

Finally, "dialing slower than your opponent so that you won't spin your tires"? I don't see how that would help keep your car from spinning its tires...you can change your dial-in all you want to, but if you don't change the car (like letting more air out of your power tires), it won't change a thing (especially in my car). My recent race in San Antonio proved that to me since just a two pound reduction in tire pressure lowered my 60ft et. .06 sec.!

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

So now besides appeasing the yahoos that want this rule changed you're proposing that the first car,when he leaves,is given a green light on his side of the tree.Then after the second car leaves the redlight will come on?

Sure, why not? The faster car should always assume the slower car is going to go green, shouldn't they? Then if the slower car does go red they get a bonus, plus a good practice shot at the tree without the red light distracting them.

Or do you think the faster car should always hope the slower car will go red and check to make sure they don't before concentrating on their side of the tree?


-Toby

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by toby lang

sure, why not? The faster car should always assume the slower car is going to go green, shouldn't they? Then if the slower car does go red they get a bonus, plus a good practice shot at the tree without the red light distracting them.

Or do you think the faster car should always hope the slower car will go red and check to make sure they don't before concentrating on their side of the tree?


-toby

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[Bob Mulry]

So let me see if I have this right.......

If a P/SA with a dial in of 12.70 races an M/SA car with 12.17 dial in the M/SA car is likely to spin the tires because it is the faster of the 2 cars???????????

And on the other hand

It would always make more sense to dial in slower than the car you are racing so that you can leave first and reduce the possibility of tire spin

Makes sense to me,
Bob]

I can't believe that you guys just don’t get it........

This has nothing to do with an A/SA car vs. an M/SA car.

This entire issue is about the car that leaves last can't red-light if the first leaving car goes red...

It's not about a 10 second car vs. a 13 second car, it's about 10.20 vs. a 10.00 car.

It's about a 12.50 car racing 13.00 second car..

It's about a 14.10 car vs. 14.15 car..

If you get it you get....if you don't you don't

Bob

PS: Bill everybody is saying that the first car to leave has a greater chance to spin the tires.........Sooooooooooo don't leave first and you are safe.

Just my humor, but I guess I missed...