Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together?

Chris1529 · 04-21-2011, 08:18 AM

We could ban together and vote to join a union. Then we can pay union dues in addition to our membership fees and high entry fees. Anyone a union rep who could get us in the door?

Terry Cain · 04-21-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris1529

We could ban together and vote to join a union. Then we can pay union dues in addition to our membership fees and high entry fees. Anyone a union rep who could get us in the door?

Yes I am,
Now, Start sending me $25 per week and we'll get the ball rolling.

Jeff Niceswanger · 04-21-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris1529

We could ban together and vote to join a union. Then we can pay union dues in addition to our membership fees and high entry fees. Anyone a union rep who could get us in the door?

Yea I ( Really) Am.
And I hope your kidding right? This is suppose to be a hobby.

Jeff Niceswanger
President UE Local 718
Maintenance Workers
Ralston Foods
Lancaster Ohio

novassdude · 04-21-2011, 10:09 PM

No to many people with too many different agendas.

Jim Bailey · 04-21-2011, 11:21 PM

Novassdude,... not "too" many agenda's...Racers just have one ...their own ... they just like to point fingers....They need to turn their hand over and look at it. Especially the 3 fingers pointing at themselves. JB

Dwight Southerland · 04-22-2011, 10:11 AM

Probably the only way would be to do it like NHRA has done - create the organization that will put on the races and control the rules, offer enough money, glamour and celebrity to tempt everybody to come, force them to become members to be able to race at your races, and then feed them what you want them to have. They won't be organized or banded together, but they will show up at the same places. Kind of like a bunch of drunks who follow a beer truck.

X-TECH MAN · 04-22-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Probably the only way would be to do it like NHRA has done - create the organization that will put on the races and control the rules, offer enough money, glamour and celebrity to tempt everybody to come, force them to become members to be able to race at your races, and then feed them what you want them to have. They won't be organized or banded together, but they will show up at the same places. Kind of like a bunch of drunks who follow a beer truck.

LOL....Best description yet !

tim worner · 04-22-2011, 10:56 AM

Wade to answer your question in one word................NO

goinbroke2 · 04-22-2011, 12:10 PM

I completely disagree with the beer truck-drunk analogy. You guys have totally underestimated the alure of dragracing/classracing.

A proper analogy would be;

Slowly driving a flatbed truck through the bad part of town loaded with free crack cocain on the back and the racers are the addict's running/staggering out of the ally's!
Nothing will stop them but death itself or the physical inability to catch up to the truck.

(but of course obama would lay on "chaser" vehicles for those who couldn't catch the truck and charge the fee's to the evil rich! LOL but I digress)

Oh, and the answer? You need to give them a common enemy (nhra) and you have to give them a way to fight back. (boycott a race) THEN you need to ensure it is more advantageous to follow the pack than it is to succumb to the allure of the race. (hard)
The best way would be to have a race the same weekend then ensure everybody knows if you go to the nhra race you will be ostracised.
Example, had a big race and all the nhra racers showed up but 2. Those two went to the nhra race so turn your back on them when their met at the following races. Put it on class racer etc, ensure everybody knows they are viewed as crap.

Don't have the stomach to do that? Then the answer is no, racers won't band together.

Marvin Robinson · 04-22-2011, 12:19 PM

I don't agree that you can't get racers to work together... I'm not saying it would be easy, but I think it is possible to get a large enough body of racers together to make a difference. The larger problem in my opinion is getting the proper forum or unification method, and the people and time to do the administrative work to make it happen. I know that Greg Hill is trying to put together a database of racers, so we can at least form an internet group of contacts. (Wait.... don't we HAVE a group through THIS forum???... wait, they are not an ACTION group, and that's what we need). I think it's worth a try.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=31397

04-21-2011, 08:18 AM	#1
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,366 Likes: 6 Liked 70 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? We could ban together and vote to join a union. Then we can pay union dues in addition to our membership fees and high entry fees. Anyone a union rep who could get us in the door? __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

04-21-2011, 10:09 PM	#4
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? No to many people with too many different agendas.

04-21-2011, 11:21 PM	#5
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? Novassdude,... not "too" many agenda's...Racers just have one ...their own ... they just like to point fingers....They need to turn their hand over and look at it. Especially the 3 fingers pointing at themselves. JB

04-22-2011, 10:11 AM	#6
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? Probably the only way would be to do it like NHRA has done - create the organization that will put on the races and control the rules, offer enough money, glamour and celebrity to tempt everybody to come, force them to become members to be able to race at your races, and then feed them what you want them to have. They won't be organized or banded together, but they will show up at the same places. Kind of like a bunch of drunks who follow a beer truck.

04-22-2011, 10:56 AM	#8
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? Wade to answer your question in one word................NO __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

04-22-2011, 12:10 PM	#9
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,631 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? I completely disagree with the beer truck-drunk analogy. You guys have totally underestimated the alure of dragracing/classracing. A proper analogy would be; Slowly driving a flatbed truck through the bad part of town loaded with free crack cocain on the back and the racers are the addict's running/staggering out of the ally's! Nothing will stop them but death itself or the physical inability to catch up to the truck. (but of course obama would lay on "chaser" vehicles for those who couldn't catch the truck and charge the fee's to the evil rich! LOL but I digress) Oh, and the answer? You need to give them a common enemy (nhra) and you have to give them a way to fight back. (boycott a race) THEN you need to ensure it is more advantageous to follow the pack than it is to succumb to the allure of the race. (hard) The best way would be to have a race the same weekend then ensure everybody knows if you go to the nhra race you will be ostracised. Example, had a big race and all the nhra racers showed up but 2. Those two went to the nhra race so turn your back on them when their met at the following races. Put it on class racer etc, ensure everybody knows they are viewed as crap. Don't have the stomach to do that? Then the answer is no, racers won't band together.

04-22-2011, 12:19 PM	#10
Marvin Robinson Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gary, IN Posts: 139 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Is there a way to get S,S/S racers to band together? I don't agree that you can't get racers to work together... I'm not saying it would be easy, but I think it is possible to get a large enough body of racers together to make a difference. The larger problem in my opinion is getting the proper forum or unification method, and the people and time to do the administrative work to make it happen. I know that Greg Hill is trying to put together a database of racers, so we can at least form an internet group of contacts. (Wait.... don't we HAVE a group through THIS forum???... wait, they are not an ACTION group, and that's what we need). I think it's worth a try. http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=31397 __________________ Marvin Robinson 3188 STK/SS