Another low car count?

[7423]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

You better stop what you're sniffing,drinking or shooting up.I've never raced a super category car but know many of them here in Div 1.There is a ton of work and science in these cars,especially the S/G door cars.Go out and build one and race it and come back here and see if your statement holds water.

Wow, no challenge getting you on the chip, uh Ed?
If ya don't speak from experience, don't speak............................
I ran a s/g sst car for 18 years, and yes, my statement holds alot of water.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by 7423

Wow, no challenge getting you on the chip, uh Ed?
If ya don't speak from experience, don't speak............................
I ran a s/g sst car for 18 years, and yes, my statement holds alot of water.

Ah maybe it's the smog.

[Jeff Lee]

I've run Brackets, S/ST, Stock & Super Stock & I would say that order ranks cost lowest to highest.
I personally think Super classes are so popular is that is the easiest ticket into a national event venue.
You could probably increase participation in S/SS if Super classes weren't allowed in national events.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've run Brackets, S/ST, Stock & Super Stock & I would say that order ranks cost lowest to highest.
I personally think Super classes are so popular is that is the easiest ticket into a national event venue.
You could probably increase participation in S/SS if Super classes weren't allowed in national events.

Yep , just like in the late 70's .
Of course, there WAS Modified Eliminator,but IT had a spectator following too.

[THE LEGEND]

You can take a $10,000 bracket car and run SST with it maybe even SG.
You can also build a stocker for less than 10k also.
Both cars can be raced but are they competitive probly not.

A used S/C dragster will go for 20k plus
A new one 50K plus

How many of you have that much in building a stocker not counting CJ,DP, not many.

My 10.90 camaro in it's condition would go for $20,000plus(other similar cars have sold for more in the off season)
To build that car new would cost much more.

My dragster I won it oh well I guess it would fall in the under 10k argument.LOL
After initial investment some ss cars are costly to maintain, but I would think rebuilds are comparable.

The comment about brackets and .90 another clueless statement. You can use buttons and boxes in both. In the East double entries, 2 rounds of buybacks, and having to go 5 rds to get paid are why people are migrating to the .90,td,ts events.

I guess things are different out west.
Chip Johnson

[THE LEGEND]

Charlie
I reread your posts.
Things were very different 18 years ago. I think you r bucket of water has holes in it. You got guys out here going to Saturday night bracket races with 50k dragsters

[Rollins_2241]

The Super classes fill up because they attract a wide variety of cars, a lot like Stock used to 30 years ago. Today, Stock and Super Stock are very narrow classes focused on a few high dollar purpose built cars which mostly can't cross over from other types of racing. And I'm not even talking about the new "checkbook #1 qualifier" classes from Ford and Dodge.

Interestingly, about 20% of the 10-11-12 Index cars at the new Division 2 format are crossover Stockers, and the word I've heard in the pits is that the Stock diehards find it surprisingly fun with a lot less hassle. Here's my latest idea you probably don't want to hear to get more crossover racers at Lucas Oil Div. 2 events:

Outlaw Super Comp: 7.50 heads up, .4 pro tree, dragsters OK, nitrous OK. Allows S/C dragsters to race index and equalizes slow/fast combinations.

Outlaw Super Gas: 8.50 heads up, .4 pro tree, left steer, nitrous OK. Same thing for S/G cars looking for something new as well as the true "outlaw 8.50" racers from Unleashed.

Outlaw Super Street: 10.00 heads up, .4 pro tree, no boxes/stops, exactly the same rules as the current 10.0 class (just give it a name for marketing).

Keep the 11-12 classes the way they are now and give them cool names.

[pentastarrail]

They hear Biondo's are coming.
;-)

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

You can take a $10,000 bracket car and run SST with it maybe even SG.
You can also build a stocker for less than 10k also.
Both cars can be raced but are they competitive probly not.

A used S/C dragster will go for 20k plus
A new one 50K plus

How many of you have that much in building a stocker not counting CJ,DP, not many.

My 10.90 camaro in it's condition would go for $20,000plus(other similar cars have sold for more in the off season)
To build that car new would cost much more.

My dragster I won it oh well I guess it would fall in the under 10k argument.LOL
After initial investment some ss cars are costly to maintain, but I would think rebuilds are comparable.

The comment about brackets and .90 another clueless statement. You can use buttons and boxes in both. In the East double entries, 2 rounds of buybacks, and having to go 5 rds to get paid are why people are migrating to the .90,td,ts events.

I guess things are different out west.
Chip Johnson

The cost is not an absolute... or course you can build a 10K stocker... it will either be slow, or uncompetitive. I know there is much science & sophistication in the .90 cars, but getting what you need to do what you want to do is accessible and relatively cheap compared to a lot of what you need to do with S/SS stuff, especially if you are not racing a SM/BB Chevy (or one of the other 3 or 4 mainstream combos). I'm not knocking Chevys, I'm actually a diehard Chevy fan, always had them, owned/raced at least 11 of them. (If I had my ideal Stocker, it would be a 69 396/375 Chevelle) But having built/raced bracket cars for 30 years, the cost for finding performance/consistency compared to S/SS is startling.... I know a 10K ST/SG car is not going to be state of the art, but at least you could be competitive if you're smart about your combo. No dice in Stock. (SG/SC is expensive, period, just due to how fast you have to go... we all know speed costs money, just the same speed costs a lot more in S/SS.

[THE LEGEND]

Jeff,
When I started back running IHRA in 2002 it was in a crate motor stocker.
Chip