"Live From" NHRA Gatornationals - Page 5

Tony Janes · 03-09-2011, 07:48 PM

The same thing happened to at least one stock Ford at the Winternationals, They chose to say nothing about it.

Ken Miele · 03-09-2011, 08:01 PM

Enough of my problems, back to what everyone wants. Here is the first set of pictures. Most people put their cars away, but I did find some cars still out.

Wade Mahaffey · 03-09-2011, 08:08 PM

Ken, how long has the aluminum case been in the car? Funny thing is that the aluminum spool and lightened ring gear is worth more performance than the aluminum case. Go figure!

I will say that it's nice to see that someone actually looks at these cars a little bit. There is alot of stuff out there that gets a blind eye. But to be fair to tech, nobody is perfect all the time. Do you think somebody dropped a dime on you. I'm sure that thing sticks out like a sore thumb (from in front view) when the wheels are up on the leave. I would have been intrested to see if that was the flavor of the week target check, and if they were looking at the 8-3/4 mopars

As I was planning the build on my Corvette, I found out that the man with the answers is Wesley Roberson. He can break down the rule book and explain each sentence in detail. He corrected me real quick, but very professionally. I said but it does'nt say you can't do this. His response was "if it does'nt say you can do it....you can't"! I respect his style.

Wade Mahaffey

George Fitzpatrick · 03-09-2011, 08:09 PM

Sorry to Hear that Ken
With the rule written the way it is. Would it have been a big deal to let you run it for this race? I know the rules are the rules, but it does not say “No aluminum”. Plus really is there areal big performance advantage.

Bob Bender · 03-09-2011, 08:13 PM

YO KEN, Sorry you had to do all that. Keep up all the good reporting

THE LEGEND · 03-09-2011, 08:16 PM

Ken,
That sucks. I would've gotten on the 2-step over that.
Chip Johnson

vic guilmino · 03-09-2011, 08:27 PM

ken
where did you get the gloves

Mike Brogniez · 03-09-2011, 08:40 PM

Agree with Ken that his interpretation of the way rule is currently written should have been valid for allowing it.
BTW NHRA did not allow Jenkins his interpretation of ''space between bell housing and Lenco'' either......

Keep the new parts....the rules are sometimes changed rapidly to suit the interpretation/application......
Most of all enjoy your race Ken and thank you for sharing the experience.

Duane Eiskant II · 03-09-2011, 08:51 PM

Bull****, thats what it is. Your how many miles from home, PLUS you just raced at Valdosta. You've run the car like that for how many years? Guess you should have used dry ice on the manifold and told them you didnt. LOL, now we know why you can run 9:80's too. Im sure it will be fixed and since the mopars are using the aluminum centers all the fords will also. Time will tell. I'll just put this out there, why dont you order a cj rear with the aluminum center section and get someone to put the spring perches on it? Then you'll be good to go....Right?

Evan Smith · 03-09-2011, 09:22 PM

Ken, thanks for the heads-up. This is rather interesting, I was also told that even though the rulebook doesn't say you can't have an aluminum center, it doesn't say you can.

The rulebook doesn't say you can have any of the following non-stock parts either: aluminum spool, titanium spool, back-cut ring gear, scalloped axles flanges, or gun-drilled axles. Ironically, those are all part that have a direct effect on performance. Are we to assume these parts are also illegal?

Where is the logic?

03-09-2011, 07:48 PM	#41
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals The same thing happened to at least one stock Ford at the Winternationals, They chose to say nothing about it. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

03-09-2011, 08:01 PM	#42
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,563 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Enough of my problems, back to what everyone wants. Here is the first set of pictures. Most people put their cars away, but I did find some cars still out. Attached Thumbnails

03-09-2011, 08:08 PM	#43
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 18 Times in 8 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Ken, how long has the aluminum case been in the car? Funny thing is that the aluminum spool and lightened ring gear is worth more performance than the aluminum case. Go figure! I will say that it's nice to see that someone actually looks at these cars a little bit. There is alot of stuff out there that gets a blind eye. But to be fair to tech, nobody is perfect all the time. Do you think somebody dropped a dime on you. I'm sure that thing sticks out like a sore thumb (from in front view) when the wheels are up on the leave. I would have been intrested to see if that was the flavor of the week target check, and if they were looking at the 8-3/4 mopars As I was planning the build on my Corvette, I found out that the man with the answers is Wesley Roberson. He can break down the rule book and explain each sentence in detail. He corrected me real quick, but very professionally. I said but it does'nt say you can't do this. His response was "if it does'nt say you can do it....you can't"! I respect his style. Wade Mahaffey Last edited by Wade Mahaffey; 03-09-2011 at 08:29 PM.

03-09-2011, 08:09 PM	#44
George Fitzpatrick Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Babylon, NY Posts: 344 Likes: 119 Liked 94 Times in 24 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Sorry to Hear that Ken With the rule written the way it is. Would it have been a big deal to let you run it for this race? I know the rules are the rules, but it does not say “No aluminum”. Plus really is there areal big performance advantage. __________________ George Fitzpatrick 426 HEMI STK, SS

03-09-2011, 08:13 PM	#45
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,734 Likes: 1,599 Liked 460 Times in 91 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals YO KEN, Sorry you had to do all that. Keep up all the good reporting __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

03-09-2011, 08:16 PM	#46
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Ken, That sucks. I would've gotten on the 2-step over that. Chip Johnson

03-09-2011, 08:27 PM	#47
vic guilmino Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wv Posts: 884 Likes: 42 Liked 56 Times in 21 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals ken where did you get the gloves __________________ Vic Guilmino 1129 STK

03-09-2011, 08:40 PM	#48
Mike Brogniez Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 476 Likes: 7 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Agree with Ken that his interpretation of the way rule is currently written should have been valid for allowing it. BTW NHRA did not allow Jenkins his interpretation of ''space between bell housing and Lenco'' either...... Keep the new parts....the rules are sometimes changed rapidly to suit the interpretation/application...... Most of all enjoy your race Ken and thank you for sharing the experience. Attached Thumbnails

03-09-2011, 08:51 PM	#49
Duane Eiskant II Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alexandria, Va Posts: 501 Likes: 261 Liked 57 Times in 33 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Bull****, thats what it is. Your how many miles from home, PLUS you just raced at Valdosta. You've run the car like that for how many years? Guess you should have used dry ice on the manifold and told them you didnt. LOL, now we know why you can run 9:80's too. Im sure it will be fixed and since the mopars are using the aluminum centers all the fords will also. Time will tell. I'll just put this out there, why dont you order a cj rear with the aluminum center section and get someone to put the spring perches on it? Then you'll be good to go....Right? __________________ Duane Eiskant 1354 Stock/Super Stock

03-09-2011, 09:22 PM	#50
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: "Live From" NHRA Gatornationals Ken, thanks for the heads-up. This is rather interesting, I was also told that even though the rulebook doesn't say you can't have an aluminum center, it doesn't say you can. The rulebook doesn't say you can have any of the following non-stock parts either: aluminum spool, titanium spool, back-cut ring gear, scalloped axles flanges, or gun-drilled axles. Ironically, those are all part that have a direct effect on performance. Are we to assume these parts are also illegal? Where is the logic? __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK