New class structures - Page 3

cicero819 · 03-08-2011, 04:46 PM

Seriously Terry why doesn't NHRA classify DP's and CJ's in a class such as FA/SA for Factory A/SA problem solved. This way present A/SA would still be able to compete with no ill effect on their combination. I sure miss the PURE stock idealogy of 1972 . I know that Jeff Teuton and many others could make a Little Red Wagon run 1.50 under if they wanted to, you can't beat dedication and Mr Teuton goes to the front of the line in that department. I love to see new blood and new cars but it shouldn't be to the detriment of others who have toiled for years on some combimation to be overtaken over night by an injust HP classification. Say what you want about generation 3 and 4 of Camaro they were all street cars(Body in white but no powerglides and 650hp+ like some power plant available in new cars not even registrable with any DOT departments) 305 to 350 cu. 145 hp to 330hp . You could have at least five different classes without harming any old combination. Come on NHRA wake up.

X-TECH MAN · 03-08-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cicero819

Seriously Terry why doesn't NHRA classify DP's and CJ's in a class such as FA/SA for Factory A/SA problem solved. This way present A/SA would still be able to compete with no ill effect on their combination. I sure miss the PURE stock idealogy of 1972 . I know that Jeff Teuton and many others could make a Little Red Wagon run 1.50 under if they wanted to, you can't beat dedication and Mr Teuton goes to the front of the line in that department. I love to see new blood and new cars but it shouldn't be to the detriment of others who have toiled for years on some combimation to be overtaken over night by an injust HP classification. Say what you want about generation 3 and 4 of Camaro they were all street cars(Body in white but no powerglides and 650hp+ like some power plant available in new cars not even registrable with any DOT departments) 305 to 350 cu. 145 hp to 330hp . You could have at least five different classes without harming any old combination. Come on NHRA wake up.

How should I know.....I havent worked for NHRA since 1975 ! I gave them up and worked for IHRA for over 22 years. The question is how did NHRA put them get in the guide in the first place and with such a F##KED HP rating. As Jeff goes and dont take this wrong its called MONEY ! They are a bunch of good guys and Jeff is among one of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet but how many could dent their car a couple of days ago and have it looking new already and ready to race? Owning your own dealerships (as in several) with body shops has its advantages.

BlueOval Ralph · 03-08-2011, 05:29 PM

How can Danny retire you have to work to be able to retire for someone other than your self! Bruce should go also as he is just a Danny yes man!

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Yes I would.And my first action would be to retire Danny and make a certain fellow from the mountains of East central Pa. national tech director.And Graham's new job would be getting coffee every morning for the new director.

Ed Fernandez · 03-08-2011, 05:46 PM

We're getting away from the intent of the subject.This was started to figure out how to make the classes more racer and fan friendly,not an extension of the DP/Mustang
fiasco.
There were some posts for alternative ideas.Let's hear some more.

GarysZ24 · 03-08-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Just a few thoughts.Probably not feasible but what the hell

Top Fuel:
428 CI max 2 engines per race
1 Mag
1 Spec pump
80% nitro

F/C
400 CI max 2 engines per race
1 Mag
1 Spec pump
No more Bat Cars-Body reverts to specs of 70s bodys w/spoilers allowed for safety.

Pro Stock
358 CI
FI
Manufacturer engine Ford/Ford GM/GM Mopar/Mopar

PSB-No changes

Comp becomes top sportsman classes at nationals-No T/S or T/D

S/C-S/G-S/St run all nationals-Entries depend on track curfew schedule time frame.

S/SS-80 car fields when no class and 100-120 depending on that curfew schedules.

Last but not least.No a$$holes shooting shirts into stands.no Evel Knevel wannabes
riding on front wheel.(unless they fly off and smooch their mugs on the asphault.

Please feel free to add any suggestions.Some changes really need to be made to save our sport.

Bill D. your suggestions are welcomed too.Gary also,as long as Bush,Republicans and the 2%ers are left out.

No Problem Ed, I'd rather talk about drag racing anyway....

Your Top Fuel and Funny Car ideas can include a return of 1/4 mile racing, and if those figures you listed will slow them down a bit, then that would be cool...don't ya think?

As For Pro Stock, I like your addition of FI, but (since I haven't forgotten about Buddy Ingersols '87 Buick Regal GNX), I'd like to see Turbo Charged V6's included in that too.

I'd like to see T/S & T/D go away tpp(we don't really need Super Comp & Super Gas on steroids do we?), and MODIFIED ELIMINATOR come back! I miss those B/SM Mustangs & Mavericks, duking it out (as well as those also cool C/SM Chevy II Nova's...didn't Garley Daniels drive on of them?).

As for our classes, I'd like to see our .30 added back! If singleton runs for class have to run against other cars/classes, then they do it off of dial in's not indexes (with breakouts involved)...under Glendora's new rule, only those with the money to severely outrun their indexes will likely win with this inconsiderate new "no-breakouts" rule. Moreover, if rwd stockers can have wheelie bars, then fwd cars can have them too...geez with my front end staying level, I might gain a tenth on my 60ft's...Imagine that??? Oh, and one more thing, if you race an engine that was both built with a carb and f.i., then you would be able to run either combo consistent with the specs for the original set-up...meaning I could ditch my f.i. system on my '86 engine, and replace it with an oem early '80's carbureted one instead (with the appropriate wiring harness to boot)...then I could ditch my Calmap, and go back to my screw drivers and wrenches....THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!

I'd finally like to see a Div. 8 (and possibly a Div. 9) added to reduce the geographic sizes of Div's 4, 5, 6, & 7, with more focus on reducing the lower 48 states geographic sizes, and allow those northern most Div.s to have a lower American base to encompass the bordered Canadian Provinces.

Bring back the acceptance of Aviation Fuel to the Sportsman classes!!!

Now what do you think of those ideas Ed....btw, considering how we differ on other things, I'm honored that you singled me (and Bill D.) out in your request for input here.

vic guilmino · 03-08-2011, 10:39 PM

no tad/tafc
stk/ss no 4 or 6 cyls, no fwd cars
TF AND FC
1000 CI
100% NITRO
BIG BLOWNER

PRO STOCK
1000 CI
FUEL INJ.
FLAT HOOD
TURBO (2)

lets see where the real drivers are
track to short to bad
maybe one race a year bonneville salt flats

ed you want the teams to spent more money on new rules
but you do not have the money to spent on your car

Ed Fernandez · 03-08-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vic guilmino

no tad/tafc
stk/ss no 4 or 6 cyls, no fwd cars
TF AND FC
1000 CI
100% NITRO
BIG BLOWNER

PRO STOCK
1000 CI
FUEL INJ.
FLAT HOOD
TURBO (2)

lets see where the real drivers are
track to short to bad
maybe one race a year bonneville salt flats

ed you want the teams to spent more money on new rules
but you do not have the money to spent on your car

No six cylinder cars Huh Vic.I'm gonna kick yo ***** grandpa.:>):>)

Ed Fernandez · 03-08-2011, 10:55 PM

I like the idea of one or two more divisions.You Div. 4 and 5 guys are really in a bind
having to do allthat traveling just to do divisionals.Maybe the board could take a slight pay cut to pay for the setting up and maintaining the new division operations.
Did I really say that?

bill dedman · 03-09-2011, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I like the idea of one or two more divisions.You Div. 4 and 5 guys are really in a bind
having to do all that traveling just to do divisionals.Maybe the board could take a slight pay cut to pay for the setting up and maintaining the new division operations.

Did I really say that?

You did! And it's about as likely to happen as a fair red light rule....

novassdude · 03-09-2011, 04:29 AM

I think to help the fuel cars start by requiring the same block for the whole race maybe go to a smaller fuel pump and limit blower overdrive.
Pro Stock It may be time to go to fuel injection. Other than that I feel Pro Stock is fine.
Alcohol classes I have no idea what to do with them. Maybe they need to be included in the one block rule. When I started following drag racing the alcohol cars were not having to go thru engines every pass and you seen alot more cars showing up then. They need to real in the cost.

03-08-2011, 04:46 PM	#21
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: New class structures Seriously Terry why doesn't NHRA classify DP's and CJ's in a class such as FA/SA for Factory A/SA problem solved. This way present A/SA would still be able to compete with no ill effect on their combination. I sure miss the PURE stock idealogy of 1972 . I know that Jeff Teuton and many others could make a Little Red Wagon run 1.50 under if they wanted to, you can't beat dedication and Mr Teuton goes to the front of the line in that department. I love to see new blood and new cars but it shouldn't be to the detriment of others who have toiled for years on some combimation to be overtaken over night by an injust HP classification. Say what you want about generation 3 and 4 of Camaro they were all street cars(Body in white but no powerglides and 650hp+ like some power plant available in new cars not even registrable with any DOT departments) 305 to 350 cu. 145 hp to 330hp . You could have at least five different classes without harming any old combination. Come on NHRA wake up.

03-08-2011, 05:46 PM	#24
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: New class structures We're getting away from the intent of the subject.This was started to figure out how to make the classes more racer and fan friendly,not an extension of the DP/Mustang fiasco. There were some posts for alternative ideas.Let's hear some more. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-08-2011, 10:39 PM	#26
vic guilmino Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wv Posts: 884 Likes: 42 Liked 56 Times in 21 Posts	Re: New class structures no tad/tafc stk/ss no 4 or 6 cyls, no fwd cars TF AND FC 1000 CI 100% NITRO BIG BLOWNER PRO STOCK 1000 CI FUEL INJ. FLAT HOOD TURBO (2) lets see where the real drivers are track to short to bad maybe one race a year bonneville salt flats ed you want the teams to spent more money on new rules but you do not have the money to spent on your car __________________ Vic Guilmino 1129 STK

03-08-2011, 10:55 PM	#28
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: New class structures I like the idea of one or two more divisions.You Div. 4 and 5 guys are really in a bind having to do allthat traveling just to do divisionals.Maybe the board could take a slight pay cut to pay for the setting up and maintaining the new division operations. Did I really say that? __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-09-2011, 04:29 AM	#30
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: New class structures I think to help the fuel cars start by requiring the same block for the whole race maybe go to a smaller fuel pump and limit blower overdrive. Pro Stock It may be time to go to fuel injection. Other than that I feel Pro Stock is fine. Alcohol classes I have no idea what to do with them. Maybe they need to be included in the one block rule. When I started following drag racing the alcohol cars were not having to go thru engines every pass and you seen alot more cars showing up then. They need to real in the cost.