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Old 02-28-2011, 12:29 AM   #1
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X 2 But NHRA has their head up their azz ! Cut out one fuel pump, limit the blower size and overdrive. Limit the percentage of nitro in the alcohol. I remember when they used to run a 64 (Yep...Sixty Four) car top fuel field and the used one engine and usually the winner AND runner up never had the heads off during eliminations. So who cares if they slow down to high 5 second runs ? As Will says the noise and nitro smells will still be there. At least they would run a real race side by side and the little guy could afford to compete. Just look at the Nostalgia front engine fuel races going on today. Its a much better show than the crap thats out there today and there would be less oil downs. .
X2 And if you remember in those days they were running a junk yard block and heads and a real GMC blower, and as memory serves ran better races. Would also mandate one mag and plug per cyl, and why not a 400cid limit .
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X2 And if you remember in those days they were running a junk yard block and heads and a real GMC blower, and as memory serves ran better races. Would also mandate one mag and plug per cyl, and why not a 400cid limit .
Yes I remember and have some 8mm film of Colman Bros. Speed Shop, Tex Randle, "Joltin" Joe Jancano (sp?) with his small block Chev fueler at Aquasco in Md. around 1962-63. I dont recall any of them blowing stuff up during a race. I was there when Tex was killed and it wasnt because his engine blew up. Even when they smoked the tires the full 1/4 mile the race was close and exciting. More exciting to me because of the tire smoke. All of the suggestions sound good but I doubt the big wigs would ever go for it in NHRA. It would make to much sense. Do we really need 300+ MPH fuel dragsters and Ha Ha cars?

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Old 02-28-2011, 11:11 AM   #3
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It appears they are no longer talking about the new smaller engine the NHRA was supposedly working on. Did they scrap the idea in favor flames, oil downs and explosions to keep all the nitro head bangers happy?
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It appears they are no longer talking about the new smaller engine the NHRA was supposedly working on. Did they scrap the idea in favor flames, oil downs and explosions to keep all the nitro head bangers happy?
Unless NHRA restricts the blower case size, blower boost, fuel pump, nitro percentage, grear ratios, etc. or a combination of these the smaller engines that were once talked about would still blow up and spill their guts all over the race tracks. Maybe even more so because the teams would lean on them even harder to gain an edge. I dont understand NHRA's reasoning (i guess none of us do !). If it were less expensive to campain a nitro car they would have more cars showing up to race instead of one or two well funded teams that seem to own/buy the championship each year. The rest seem to just take up space on the ladder. The races would be a side by side race instead of seeing who can blow the tires off the most. Talk to Bruce Litton (Top Fuel owner and driver) some time when you have the chance. He is a great guy and holds nothing back.

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Old 02-28-2011, 01:20 PM   #5
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Maybe all they really need for the Pro's, is a one engine rule, same as the one chassis rule that JF b!tches about! Might help?
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Oke thought I've had for years is sanctioning bodies are afraid if they slow cars down ticket sales and TV eyeballs would be lost. Do they think its speed numbers that fill the stands,or good racing? Just look at the Daytona travesty. If they were to go to a 4 X 3 engine and slow down to say 160 aerodynamics would play a lesser role and racing be better. With Drag Racing I don't believe the spectator can tell the difference between say 250 and 300 from the stands if not told. If you were able to give them side by side full quarter mile runs without lengthy clean-ups my belief is they'd come away satisfied they had seen a good day of racing. Nobody buys a ticket to watch the clean-up crew in action.
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Another case of trying to fix the problem where it isn't by taking on the easiest target... the Pros bring in the TV time and the cash, so they will be catered to by NHRA and the broadcasters. The rulemakers are trying to kill a rabbit with an elephant gun with the diaper rules for nearly everyone, when 95% of the problem is coming from the fuel cars, who only represent about 50 teams total, against 200 or so ProStock and ProStock motorcycles, and 3,000 or so Class racers, and 20,000 or more index racers. The best way to NOT solve a problem is to not look at it correctly... addressing the FUEL cars needs to be done, and I see/hear a lot of good suggestions, but the brass at NHRA doesn't seem to want to deal with the problem that way.
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Oke thought I've had for years is sanctioning bodies are afraid if they slow cars down ticket sales and TV eyeballs would be lost. Do they think its speed numbers that fill the stands,or good racing? Just look at the Daytona travesty. If they were to go to a 4 X 3 engine and slow down to say 160 aerodynamics would play a lesser role and racing be better. With Drag Racing I don't believe the spectator can tell the difference between say 250 and 300 from the stands if not told. If you were able to give them side by side full quarter mile runs without lengthy clean-ups my belief is they'd come away satisfied they had seen a good day of racing. Nobody buys a ticket to watch the clean-up crew in action.
Sadly I am afraid you are wrong about most spectators wanting to see close racing. If that was what they wanted pro stock would be the most popular class. Most seem to want things out of control if they crash I think that is a plus to them.
Those of us on here do not look at things like joe blow off the street.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:52 PM   #9
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Sadly, I share your views,Novassdude,about a segment of spectators. I remember the days when stands could be filled for a Pro Stock show. When Jenkins,Sox and Martin ,etc.pioneered P/S it eclipsed the f/cs in popularity through good promotion of the category. What is lacking today is any real coverage of Pro Stock.
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Unless NHRA restricts the blower case size, blower boost, fuel pump, nitro percentage, grear ratios, etc. or a combination of these the smaller engines that were once talked about would still blow up and spill their guts all over the race tracks. Maybe even more so because the teams would lean on them even harder to gain an edge. I dont understand NHRA's reasoning (i guess none of us do !). If it were less expensive to campain a nitro car they would have more cars showing up to race instead of one or two well funded teams that seem to own/buy the championship each year. The rest seem to just take up space on the ladder. The races would be a side by side race instead of seeing who can blow the tires off the most. Talk to Bruce Litton (Top Fuel owner and driver) some time when you have the chance. He is a great guy and holds nothing back.
Good points.
Watching it on TV yesterday The Snake was talking about one of the T/F explosions saying it looked like a $20,000 to $60,000 explosion. At that rate not to many people can afford to push them that hard.
It would not be that hard to limit boost or fuel flow. I know in some types of open wheel racing, not sure which class, might be Indy lights the sanctioning body issues their own boost regulators and takes them back at the end of the race. I know this is done to “dry” air in a turbocharged application but something could be done in a blower application without breaking the bank. As simple as an NHRA issued fuel flow/pressure regulator.
Why not? They make the Pro Stock guys all use the same ignition
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