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Thanks for the clarification Bret; I stand corrected. I was hoping that someone with hands-on experience in the TV production of drag racing events would post, and I appreciate you stepping up with some good and accurate information.
If I understand you correctly, then the lawn mower racers/demo derbies/snowmobile racers pay up to $60,000 (less the revenue from the commercial time) to have their event produced and televised? I must say I'm shocked that some of these organizations can afford that much money. As far as Inside Drag Racing goes, unfortunately here in Canada we do not get that show (I say this through gritted teeth). We also do not get the full ESPN race coverage; instead for each event we only get a single condensed show on TSN of about 2-2.5 hours' duration, usually aired only once and at the most inconvenient time possible. From what you've said, I assume that it costs NHRA for it to be aired here too, and it's edited down because that's all the airtime they're willing to pay for in Canada. Were the Diamond P shows financed the same way, or was that "another era" in Motorsports TV? |
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I would think that the amount paid to air the show would be determined by what day and time it would be aired at.Say Sat night 8PM EST as opposed to Thurs morning 1PM EST.
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IMHO, the average American is smart enough to understand handicapped starts. What's so hard to understand about a head start? Kids even know what a head start is.
What the average American CAN'T understand though is breakouts. If two people are RACING, how is it possible that one person goes too quick and is disqualified? I thought this was a race! The main eliminations of Super Stock will never be popular to the masses. If ALL of the eliminations were run like class eliminations (or Comp with no CIC, or like the old Modified Eliminator used to be run), then I think you could have a made-for-TV product. Now don't jump all over me...I'm not condoning changing Stock or S/S to be like the old Modified Eliminator. I'm just saying that it would be more interesting for the casual fan to watch. Comp could be fun to watch, but with the huge disparity in performance (due to the lack of cars) and everybody so concerned about getting a CIC violation, it has made Comp about as interesting to watch as grass growing. Too many competitors red-lighting, and too many competitors letting off after the 1/8th mile clock (and many times both in the same race). The .90 categories COULD be interesting to put on TV, but not with electronics. All this stumbling crap coming off the starting line makes the .90 classes ALMOST as boring to watch as the alcohol classes (particularly S/C where you have 120 identically prepared rear-engine dragsters running). I can watch this type of racing because I know what's going on, but it's never going to get somebody to stand up out of their seat, or get the average American to set their DVR to tape it. The IHRA sportsman programs were the last good ones on TV, but they've been off the air now close to 15 years. Those were replaced with showing only the final rounds to what they show today, which in most cases is nothing. IHRA's TV program is horrible now, but it's a reflection of their horrible Pro program, IMHO. NHRA's TV program has been horrible for at least the last 10 years. I've gotten to the point where I don't even care if I catch them or not (that's a pretty sad statement considering that drag racing is #1 in my family!) If you can catch IDR, their shows are decent when they're not 30 minute long commercials (which they typically do in the off-season around SEMA and PRI), but they typically only have one camera filming so you're not going to get the type of production that you get from an NHRA race. But, at least you get to see something else run other than T/F and AA/FC (when it actually tapes...I've noticed that recently the guide on my DVR has said IDR, but it ends up being Two Guys Garage!) And Brett - Please do me a favor and tell the blonde haired guy on IDR (his name escapes me at the moment) that when he cuts himself shaving to TAKE THE BAND-AID OFF BEFORE GOING ON CAMERA! It looks terrible, and just draws your attention to that area more (I've caught him doing this on multiple occasions).
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You guys DO know that there is another way to communicate these days. Other forms of class racing racing have figured it out. How long is it going to take you guys to figure it out.
Example: Here is a promotion of a race the last weekend this month at SGMP. http://www.dragraceplace.com/ Then click on the No Sleep Till Geogia vidio There were over 400 cars at this race last year. Roland was overwhelmed by the car count. It would not suprise me if the count went up this year. You want to be on TV? Show up, Duck will have a live stream, for a few bucks your friends can watch you back home. Maybe just buy a CD of the event. Time you figured out how to get past the gate keepers. |
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Thanks for the great explanation!
So who gets the money for the commercials? The production company? Since it owns the air time? |
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Most folks don't consider the NHRA's partnership with ESPN much of a "deal" but the main benefit to NHRA was the ability to gain better airtimes for their shows. In other words, NHRA's agreement is more than a straight purchase of time. They pay a fairly standard rate but get access to prime time slots when they're available. However, the NHRA shows are still secondary programming to the network's main financial concerns. If an event for which ESPN is paying runs longer than its predicted duration, everything else gets bumped. This often creates a chain reaction among the "bought" shows which can disrupt NHRA's scheduled airings even though the show which "went long" aired hours earlier. When folks complain of a cheerleading show pre-empting NHRA coverage, it's almost always because a stick/ball game "went long" and the entire evening schedule was bumped. It wasn't the cheerleading competition getting preference or special consideration. Quote:
To avoid getting long-winded in my previous response, (HA!), I did not detail production cost choices. Using Inside Drag Racing as an example, coverage can be purchased for a little as $15,000 for a one-camera "shoot" with a commentator. However, you'll only get about twelve minutes of coverage in a twenty-three minute show, too. Coverage, (and cost), can be increased with more cameras and more airtime within the show. I'll point out shows like On the Edge offer fewer production choices and, therefore, tend to hang around those $2,000-per minute figures I mentioned earlier. The NHRA's Full Throttle coverage actually costs more than $2,000 per minute to produce and air but they also get a few (small) breaks due to their partnership with ESPN. Quote:
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In the early 1980s, cable networks, (including ESPN), were begging for shows simply to fill the daily schedule. The major networks had a lock on stick/ball coverage deals so the cable gang was willing to put nearly anything on the air. Through the ‘80s and most of the ‘90s, the cable networks would offer to air the show at no (cash) charge but would retain all but a few of the commercial slots for their own sale. In rare instances, (including the early IHRA shows beginning in ‘83), the network offered production support as well. In other words, they came to race and covered it with their own equipment and personnel. As cable ratings grew and access to the cable system became widespread, that business model changed drastically. When the last of the original cable executives left the industry, the “new deal” became a simple sale of airtime to all but the sports for which the networks paid broadcast rights. By the way, airtime is for sale on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX, too…at prices you simply wouldn’t believe. When discussing NHRA races on TNN, it's important to remember we're talking about shows which aired a quarter-century ago. It's ancient history. As Travis noted, the world has changed and those who refuse to accept that fact get left behind. A100 made a huge point, by the way. Coverage by “live stream” has become huge and the ADRL, (for whom I’m a contractor), has experienced incredible success with its InterNet shows. Commercial time is sold for the feeds and, for all intents and purposes, the “stream” has become a television show which does not need to rely on a hosting television network. Unfortunately, most viewers do not yet view InterNet content on their living room television but, when they do, the entire world of televised events will change. Toby, I remember well your trip to Shreveport; we were flattered to have you in attendance that weekend and it was no surprise when you won. As for Jim Bailey…luckily, we were able to make him a global television personality while he was still good-looking. |
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Thanks Mr. Dirt. That was great, informative reading right from the source.
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