How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this year - Page 18

Andys dad · 12-14-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

Yep, waaaaaaay less! You might see 2 in 7 rounds at a national

Quick math would say in a 75 car field there would be 69 races

With one every round that would be 6 - or roughly 8.7% - I do not think it is that high

So you have a 91.3% chance of avoiding a "heads up" - I will take those odds

Of course there will be those who say ONE is too many

Ed Wright · 12-14-2010, 10:06 PM

Pulling to the starting line one just one time when the disadvantage is so great there is absolutely zero chance of winning on a hole shot, because they don't have to try to cut a light, no way they will go red, if they don't hook they won't slow 1/2 a second, is one time too many. Anybody that says that is OK either has one of those cars, runs a class low enough they will never face one, or is simply a fool.

danny waters sr · 12-14-2010, 10:34 PM

Now you know how i felt before these new cars. I'm just slow ,not by choice ,but by $$$ budget..... Just took my whipping whenever it came along , which was not very often....Still taking my whipping and still ticking lol........

Michael Beard · 12-14-2010, 10:38 PM

Situation: 41-car field. Car qualifies #1.
Rnd 1: Bye Run
Rnd 2: heads-up
Rnd 3: opponent red light
Rnd 4: heads-up
Rnd 5: Bye Run
Rnd 6: opponent red light

This isn't just a hypothetical. I've seen this exact scenario play out. In this case, having the "advantaged" car isn't worth just one round, but FOUR. It's also worth noting that these cars change the landscape of the ladder. One missed potential bye run or an errant heads-up race can be the difference not only in winning or losing a round, or even a National Event. It could determine a Championship.

Gump is right, I'm afraid. These things DO have an effect on the economy. They're so far out in left field that I can't afford to NOT build one. Considering that I race a Crate Motor car and a FWD car, I doubt that folks will look at me any differently when I have a "new" crate motor.

It's not hypocrisy: I'm building it specifically *because* its underrated, and NHRA has shown that they're not *going* to do anything about it. When you want to contribute to the economy as well, you can call Southland Speed. They've got all the parts you need to join the fray. And Sloan Engines is developing more than one of these, so get on the assembly line.

It may be worth reiterating that this is all Teuton's fault.

RULER · 12-14-2010, 11:02 PM

We have a winner, Ed Wright just hit the nail on the head period end of story!!!!!!!, and for the guy that said if you have not raced a cj or dp heads up you don't get a vote your full of *****. It affects everybody that races, it affects the ladders it may mean you don't get to race at Indy, or anywhere else that has a qualified field, it could change the out come of a championship but who cares NHRA doesn't

Bruce Noland · 12-14-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Where we differ is that you see these cars as a problem. The HP is way off, but gets closer every time one of these guys bombs the index. It really all depends on how long the factories want to participate and how many new combinations they throw out.

I am surprised that nobody has pointed out the economic impact that these cars have had. It goes much deeper than just the car manufacturers.

You say we differ because I see these cars as a problem and you don't??? Then you say the HP is way off and I guess that's not a problem for you? So now we should watch many hard working racers and friends walk away from the sport while we wait for these new ringer cars to bomb their indexs?? Nope, I don't think so!

Pedigo Perf · 12-14-2010, 11:06 PM

How about a bounty to anyone that forces one of these new cars to get some Tuesday HP. Then you could loose but still get some compensation and recognition for putting down a run. I would help contribute, anyone else?

Chad Rhodes · 12-14-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

How about a bounty to anyone that forces one of these new cars to get some Tuesday HP. Then you could loose but still get some compensation and recognition for putting down a run. I would help contribute, anyone else?

yea, and you'll get HP on tuesday right along with them

Pedigo Perf · 12-14-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

yea, and you'll get HP on tuesday right along with them

I will use my one allowed fast run (as I read in the AHFS rules) and send em through with a little brake action at the 1250 foot mark if necessary. I doubt I could go more than 1.20 under most of the time anyway.
Tracy

Ed Carpenter · 12-15-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Pulling to the starting line one just one time when the disadvantage is so great there is absolutely zero chance of winning on a hole shot, because they don't have to try to cut a light, no way they will go red, if they don't hook they won't slow 1/2 a second, is one time too many. Anybody that says that is OK either has one of those cars, runs a class low enough they will never face one, or is simply a fool.

Ed how fast do you think the new car in JA is going to be? 9.80's to start and in the 60's by the end of the year. Ed

12-14-2010, 10:06 PM	#172
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Pulling to the starting line one just one time when the disadvantage is so great there is absolutely zero chance of winning on a hole shot, because they don't have to try to cut a light, no way they will go red, if they don't hook they won't slow 1/2 a second, is one time too many. Anybody that says that is OK either has one of those cars, runs a class low enough they will never face one, or is simply a fool. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-14-2010, 10:34 PM	#173
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Now you know how i felt before these new cars. I'm just slow ,not by choice ,but by $$$ budget..... Just took my whipping whenever it came along , which was not very often....Still taking my whipping and still ticking lol........ __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

12-14-2010, 10:38 PM	#174
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Situation: 41-car field. Car qualifies #1. Rnd 1: Bye Run Rnd 2: heads-up Rnd 3: opponent red light Rnd 4: heads-up Rnd 5: Bye Run Rnd 6: opponent red light This isn't just a hypothetical. I've seen this exact scenario play out. In this case, having the "advantaged" car isn't worth just one round, but FOUR. It's also worth noting that these cars change the landscape of the ladder. One missed potential bye run or an errant heads-up race can be the difference not only in winning or losing a round, or even a National Event. It could determine a Championship. Gump is right, I'm afraid. These things DO have an effect on the economy. They're so far out in left field that I can't afford to NOT build one. Considering that I race a Crate Motor car and a FWD car, I doubt that folks will look at me any differently when I have a "new" crate motor. It's not hypocrisy: I'm building it specifically because its underrated, and NHRA has shown that they're not going to do anything about it. When you want to contribute to the economy as well, you can call Southland Speed. They've got all the parts you need to join the fray. And Sloan Engines is developing more than one of these, so get on the assembly line. It may be worth reiterating that this is all Teuton's fault. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-14-2010, 11:02 PM	#175
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 222 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this We have a winner, Ed Wright just hit the nail on the head period end of story!!!!!!!, and for the guy that said if you have not raced a cj or dp heads up you don't get a vote your full of *****. It affects everybody that races, it affects the ladders it may mean you don't get to race at Indy, or anywhere else that has a qualified field, it could change the out come of a championship but who cares NHRA doesn't

12-14-2010, 11:06 PM	#177
Pedigo Perf Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wichita Ks Posts: 383 Likes: 70 Liked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this How about a bounty to anyone that forces one of these new cars to get some Tuesday HP. Then you could loose but still get some compensation and recognition for putting down a run. I would help contribute, anyone else?