How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this year

art leong · 12-12-2010, 12:33 PM

Thanks to the new cars, and the cry babies, nhra has changed the ahfs to where it really kills performance.
I can save a bunch of money, already cancelled a set ot step merge collector headers and a new intake system with 4 throttle bodies. I hope the manufactuers drop nhra.
If I keep racing I'll just run 6 tenths or so under and cry and moan to get defactored.
I have fought the thought for years that Stock/Superstock was way above bracket racing.
I now have changed my mind.
At the PRI show I had nothing to do, no reason to try to learn anything that might help me go faster. And there should be no reason for anyone to strive for performance Just let the Automatic Help For Slugs do the work for you
And I doubt it will do anything to fix the problem. The new cars will never run all out when they can get whacked 2 or 3 classes at once. If a person is bleeding from a cut, you can stop the bleeding by stopping the heart from beating.

Chad Rhodes · 12-12-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by art leong

Thanks to the new cars, and the cry babies, nhra has changed the ahfs to where it really kills performance.
I can save a bunch of money, already cancelled a set ot step merge collector headers and a new intake system with 4 throttle bodies. I hope the manufactuers drop nhra.
If I keep racing I'll just run 6 tenths or so under and cry and moan to get defactored.
I have fought the thought for years that Stock/Superstock was way above bracket racing.
I now have changed my mind.
At the PRI show I had nothing to do, no reason to try to learn anything that might help me go faster. And there should be no reason for anyone to strive for performance Just let the Automatic Help For Slugs do the work for you
And I doubt it will do anything to fix the problem. The new cars will never run all out when they can get whacked 2 or 3 classes at once. If a person is bleeding from a cut, you can stop the bleeding by stopping the heart from beating.

Art, i wouldn't be so quick to blame "the cry babies" as you call it. Most of those who have complained about the new cars said the same thing, put them in their own class so they can sort themselves out like the EFI cars. I don't recall anyone saying that the AHFS needed to be butchered the way they did it. I think its awful. NHRA does not listen to its customers, and they are lazy. They took the easy way out, didn't fix the root of the problem, and created another set of problems

art leong · 12-12-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Art, i wouldn't be so quick to blame "the cry babies" as you call it. Most of those who have complained about the new cars said the same thing, put them in their own class so they can sort themselves out like the EFI cars. I don't recall anyone saying that the AHFS needed to be butchered the way they did it. I think its awful. NHRA does not listen to its customers, and they are lazy. They took the easy way out, didn't fix the root of the problem, and created another set of problems

Chad I wouldn't really call you a cry baby. You have a dog in the hunt. You are directly effected by the new cars. (I might not agree with you 100% on how to fix it, but your argument is valid) But you have more rights to voice an opinion about something that directly effects you. Most of the crying on here is from those that are not effected at all. That was one of the reasons I got in the mix. The cars themselves don't effect my racing at all. The changes nhra made DO.
And like you said it probably won't help those that are directly involved

Andys dad · 12-12-2010, 01:10 PM

Well I guess we will have to race more than we planned

Ed Wright · 12-12-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Andys dad

Well I guess we will have to race more than we planned

I'll bet everybody was wondering.

Andys dad · 12-12-2010, 01:41 PM

We are actually looking at running SS/DA to keep you guys from hating us so much and being able to run it all out

Ed Wright · 12-12-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Andys dad

We are actually looking at running SS/DA to keep you guys from hating us so much and being able to run it all out

I'll bet everybody was wondering.

Jack Matyas · 12-12-2010, 02:10 PM

Well here goes nothing - I raced last season as much as most of you and more than some of you and can't say the new cars had much to do with how my season turned out .Had my share of heads-up races and had my head handed to me by "old" traditional cars on several occasions .Maybe some of you might think about placing yourselves on the ladder where you can stay out of harms way as some of the "touring pros" have done the past few seasons .Other than winning class at the Sportsnational races or Indy what have you lost - as some have put it - its just a "bracket" race other than class or heads-up deals .

Please don't take this as I'm OK with the new car HP's as I'm with most of you - their wrong and like it or not all we have is the new revised system the NHRA has put in place and by mid-season next year a bunch of the big-hitters will have been put in their place .

How many of us have been involved in heads-up races ( new car vs old car ) during eliminations ? Can there be that many I don't know about .................

Finally - I'd be willing to bet that the economy has kept more of us home during the past few seasons than any new car . As guys we're just too vain to admit it ...............And like it or not staying home to teach the NHRA a lesson won't fix anything as its been tried in the past and the efforts were fruitless .

X-TECH MAN · 12-12-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andys dad

We are actually looking at running SS/DA to keep you guys from hating us so much and being able to run it all out

It probably would make a great S/G combo.....LOL.

12-12-2010, 12:33 PM	#1
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Thanks to the new cars, and the cry babies, nhra has changed the ahfs to where it really kills performance. I can save a bunch of money, already cancelled a set ot step merge collector headers and a new intake system with 4 throttle bodies. I hope the manufactuers drop nhra. If I keep racing I'll just run 6 tenths or so under and cry and moan to get defactored. I have fought the thought for years that Stock/Superstock was way above bracket racing. I now have changed my mind. At the PRI show I had nothing to do, no reason to try to learn anything that might help me go faster. And there should be no reason for anyone to strive for performance Just let the Automatic Help For Slugs do the work for you And I doubt it will do anything to fix the problem. The new cars will never run all out when they can get whacked 2 or 3 classes at once. If a person is bleeding from a cut, you can stop the bleeding by stopping the heart from beating. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

12-12-2010, 01:10 PM	#4
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Well I guess we will have to race more than we planned __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

12-12-2010, 01:41 PM	#6
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this We are actually looking at running SS/DA to keep you guys from hating us so much and being able to run it all out __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 12-12-2010 at 01:46 PM.

12-12-2010, 02:10 PM	#8
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Well here goes nothing - I raced last season as much as most of you and more than some of you and can't say the new cars had much to do with how my season turned out .Had my share of heads-up races and had my head handed to me by "old" traditional cars on several occasions .Maybe some of you might think about placing yourselves on the ladder where you can stay out of harms way as some of the "touring pros" have done the past few seasons .Other than winning class at the Sportsnational races or Indy what have you lost - as some have put it - its just a "bracket" race other than class or heads-up deals . Please don't take this as I'm OK with the new car HP's as I'm with most of you - their wrong and like it or not all we have is the new revised system the NHRA has put in place and by mid-season next year a bunch of the big-hitters will have been put in their place . How many of us have been involved in heads-up races ( new car vs old car ) during eliminations ? Can there be that many I don't know about ................. Finally - I'd be willing to bet that the economy has kept more of us home during the past few seasons than any new car . As guys we're just too vain to admit it ...............And like it or not staying home to teach the NHRA a lesson won't fix anything as its been tried in the past and the efforts were fruitless . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO Last edited by Jack Matyas; 12-12-2010 at 03:05 PM.