Performance Based Stk/SS Racing - Page 4

Travis Miller · 11-29-2010, 01:50 PM

Dick, If anyone does put on one of these races, I'm sure you would be welcome to race anything you want as long it is eligible to run at a LODRS event and is legal. My suggestion for races like this is not a joke. While not a race most would even be competitive at, there are some who still want to show their performance building skills in Stock and SS. This type race would show off their talents. I have no idea how many would actually participate but at least these races would not be limited to a few classes as have been aggressively promoted in the past. Everyone including you would be welcomed.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Dick Butler · 11-29-2010, 02:41 PM

I do believe some might wish for this ONE time in a row. Without a CIC only a select set of cars could or would try it more than one time.
The aggressively sponsored TOP/STK and TOP/SS classes had several advantages over the "open" no break out you suggest.
1) The cars were grouped in classes with previously strongly factored combinations which resulted in very close competition.(New Mopar and Mustangs would kill the races until factored)
2) Many brands competed. A Dodge SS/B, Corvette SS/BA, a Camaro SS/CA all won at least one time. A T-Bolt was overdue to win based on performance before the series was ended due to Economy hit on racing in general.
3) If it were possible to get a True Cash sponsor for a series of TOP/STK and SS it would attract more racers. Several potential racers werent interested in the work to fit the class. MOST loved the format and really enjoyed the races. Middle Class and Lower class heads up could be similarly popular if MONEY were there.
Good Luck with your proposal...its all racing....

Travis Miller · 11-29-2010, 04:14 PM

I apologize Dick. I did not realize that ALL racers and ALL classes got to race in TOP/STOCK and TOP/SS. I guess the other racers in lower classes just opted out. Maybe the racers in lower classes just did not race because "it would have been a slaughter."

My mistake.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Jimi B · 11-29-2010, 04:33 PM

Im all for it!

X-TECH MAN · 11-29-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi B

Im all for it!

I would be to if the AHFS is in affect during the runs.

Dick Butler · 11-29-2010, 05:21 PM

There you go again travis, Joking. Of all people there you know that any car that reached the wt break could run in TOP/Stk and TOP/SS and consequently it WAS open only to A B AND C cars. Stick and automatic. D couldnt get enough wt out..
With time and support I am confident the lower cars could have fit other wt breaks, kind of like condensing class as discussed elsewhere in several posts.
Good luck Travis. Always fun to discuss these classes with you. I know you support class racing and we are all lucky to have your dedication and knowledge to back up the tech department in these classes.Many asked about just this increase in Wt breaks to allow the heavy cars a Heads up more often than just 2 or 3 nationals.
Dick

Jimi B · 11-29-2010, 10:58 PM

Dick have something like this at your races and Ill be there! Im a Cincy guy but Im usually hanging out with Louderback or Disco Dean at Kil Kare at least once a week. I have thought about your races before but I havent got the wrong wheel drive turbo car that consistent yet lol.

Geerhead55 · 12-08-2010, 02:49 AM

This sounds like it would be similar to the "Quick 32"s that Alex had at his party in Byron in 2001. I remember a good turnout,, and everyone ran fast, and if it wasn't for some breakage in the late rounds, the #1 qualifiers in both Stock and Superstock would've pulled it off. As a spectator,,it was fun to watch,,I'll never forget Brian Olsen in that wheelstanding '67 Nova, drilling the tree. They did this on Saturday afternoon and got it in just before the curfew,,, very entertaining. My 2 cents.
Danny Durham

KingReptile · 12-08-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Miller

No CIC, just flat out racing is the only way to prove true performance. Thats what everyone wants....right?

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Love It I'll be there

hutt1 · 12-09-2010, 10:27 AM

They used to run a program like this at Music city raceway( Union Hill) years ago.. I can remember watching them run.. They called it combo 1 and combo 2 . I dont know how long it was ran. It was very fun to watch.
Maybe if notes were taken and given to nhra some true performance numbers might come out.. As jeff stated he could bring back one of the turbo chryslers and go 2 seconds under the index.. It might change a little if the car had to be qualified in the regular program and has been through tech..
There are more cars fast that are the slower index cars than the other way around.. There is a turbo thunderbird thats been real fast also.. And then Mr Bob Dennis is always around the top in super stock..

Scott Hutton

11-29-2010, 01:50 PM	#31
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Dick, If anyone does put on one of these races, I'm sure you would be welcome to race anything you want as long it is eligible to run at a LODRS event and is legal. My suggestion for races like this is not a joke. While not a race most would even be competitive at, there are some who still want to show their performance building skills in Stock and SS. This type race would show off their talents. I have no idea how many would actually participate but at least these races would not be limited to a few classes as have been aggressively promoted in the past. Everyone including you would be welcomed. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-29-2010, 02:41 PM	#32
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I do believe some might wish for this ONE time in a row. Without a CIC only a select set of cars could or would try it more than one time. The aggressively sponsored TOP/STK and TOP/SS classes had several advantages over the "open" no break out you suggest. 1) The cars were grouped in classes with previously strongly factored combinations which resulted in very close competition.(New Mopar and Mustangs would kill the races until factored) 2) Many brands competed. A Dodge SS/B, Corvette SS/BA, a Camaro SS/CA all won at least one time. A T-Bolt was overdue to win based on performance before the series was ended due to Economy hit on racing in general. 3) If it were possible to get a True Cash sponsor for a series of TOP/STK and SS it would attract more racers. Several potential racers werent interested in the work to fit the class. MOST loved the format and really enjoyed the races. Middle Class and Lower class heads up could be similarly popular if MONEY were there. Good Luck with your proposal...its all racing....

11-29-2010, 04:14 PM	#33
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I apologize Dick. I did not realize that ALL racers and ALL classes got to race in TOP/STOCK and TOP/SS. I guess the other racers in lower classes just opted out. Maybe the racers in lower classes just did not race because "it would have been a slaughter." My mistake. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-29-2010, 04:33 PM	#34
Jimi B Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Im all for it!

11-29-2010, 05:21 PM	#36
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing There you go again travis, Joking. Of all people there you know that any car that reached the wt break could run in TOP/Stk and TOP/SS and consequently it WAS open only to A B AND C cars. Stick and automatic. D couldnt get enough wt out.. With time and support I am confident the lower cars could have fit other wt breaks, kind of like condensing class as discussed elsewhere in several posts. Good luck Travis. Always fun to discuss these classes with you. I know you support class racing and we are all lucky to have your dedication and knowledge to back up the tech department in these classes.Many asked about just this increase in Wt breaks to allow the heavy cars a Heads up more often than just 2 or 3 nationals. Dick

11-29-2010, 10:58 PM	#37
Jimi B Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Dick have something like this at your races and Ill be there! Im a Cincy guy but Im usually hanging out with Louderback or Disco Dean at Kil Kare at least once a week. I have thought about your races before but I havent got the wrong wheel drive turbo car that consistent yet lol.

12-08-2010, 02:49 AM	#38
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing This sounds like it would be similar to the "Quick 32"s that Alex had at his party in Byron in 2001. I remember a good turnout,, and everyone ran fast, and if it wasn't for some breakage in the late rounds, the #1 qualifiers in both Stock and Superstock would've pulled it off. As a spectator,,it was fun to watch,,I'll never forget Brian Olsen in that wheelstanding '67 Nova, drilling the tree. They did this on Saturday afternoon and got it in just before the curfew,,, very entertaining. My 2 cents. Danny Durham

12-09-2010, 10:27 AM	#40
hutt1 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portland, Tn Posts: 123 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing They used to run a program like this at Music city raceway( Union Hill) years ago.. I can remember watching them run.. They called it combo 1 and combo 2 . I dont know how long it was ran. It was very fun to watch. Maybe if notes were taken and given to nhra some true performance numbers might come out.. As jeff stated he could bring back one of the turbo chryslers and go 2 seconds under the index.. It might change a little if the car had to be qualified in the regular program and has been through tech.. There are more cars fast that are the slower index cars than the other way around.. There is a turbo thunderbird thats been real fast also.. And then Mr Bob Dennis is always around the top in super stock.. Scott Hutton