B/SA DP Car

[fredjohnston]

Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

Sure seems like these DP cars are having a hard time with that C/SA record. How many attempts now? Looks like B, C, D, E, F/SA are still carbureted antiques from Detroit. What does this say about records?

It says the B-F/SA records that were set based on a calculator are so far out of wack that even the new DPs are having a hard time beating them. I see your record is a 10.24 but I look at the Nitro Joes stats over the past 2 years and see your best run is a 10.447. Have you ever put a .24 up on the board? How about a 10.3x?

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by fredjohnston

It says the B-F/SA records that were set based on a calculator are so far out of wack that even the new DPs are having a hard time beating them. I see your record is a 10.24 but I look at the Nitro Joes stats over the past 2 years and see your best run is a 10.447. Have you ever put a .24 up on the board? How about a 10.3x?

Now were getting to the point! No I haven't run faster than a 10.44 and wouldn't dare run faster than I have to. Who needs the extra weight, or grief from the other racers running their combo. When we set the C/SA record we were walking on egg shells. It was like getting grounded for two weeks for mowing the lawn if we went too fast. How fast can we really go? Hell, we may never know! Where is the reward? Of course the feeling of accomplishment and maybe some respect from your peers, but really it is just a piece of paper as Charlie Wescot puts it (although suitable for framing).

With the new AHFS how is anybody going to set a record without getting slapped?

Performance should be rewarded, PERIOD!

[Smitty]

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

It would be no different than a 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, or 1997, other than more holes in the nose.

What's your point?

My point is it's the same guys on here complaining about a system that benefitted them when GM brought out the LT-1. When the LT-1 cars were in the traditional classes originally they dominated. Then GM and NHRA worked a deal to put a engine that was niot offered in 98 in a new car. So, what is different about Ford and Chrysler building their cars? NHRA has accepted them and the system will catch up sooner or later.
There are a lot men on this site who have impressive resumes, I want discount that. But out of all of the complaining I see about the new cars I have yet to see one Stock or Super Stock national champion complain about the new cars. As a matter of fact one of the nation Super Stock champions owns a new Mustang but still campaigns his "real" stocker at the same events sometimes no less. Doesn't seem to bother him so why should it bother anyone else? I could understand alot of fuss if the fields were overcrowded with new cars but they aren't. Everyone likes to be the fastest, before the DP cars and Mustangs came on the scene I didn't see you guys looking out for the slower guys in the top classes; seems to me you guys were probably saying guys needed to work on their stuff.
With that said, are the older traditional stockers in the AA thru F classes at a disadvantage, yes. Are the new cars dominating event wins at the divisional and national level, no. So, the argument is the old cars can't the glory for winning class which doesn't pay anything? I understand. And just to be clear, no I don't own a class car anymore but I don't think you have own to voice an opinion. If some of you guys are going to stop racing because you can't win class then shame on you for quitting on something you love. The car I owned was by no way a top notch SS/IA car but I loved it and just wanted to be out there. My reasons for selling my car was money. If I could have afforded to go to a few races I would have been fine with running the index. For me I enjoy being around the guys and having a good time and running my car was a bonus. That's my two cents.

[Bernie Cunningham]

Smitty, you are going to get flamed, ya brought up a dead horse!

I'll skip over the LT1 issue with you, what I will say is that the new car situation is totally removed from that and a superseded and different issue, as in, it was probably the 'coal that started the diamond'!!!!!!!! I was one of Woodro's first victims in 'H' Class at the '95 Gators with my 255 Nova, yea, history repeats itself, I lost to Uncle Al in the final, not Woodro's 'new super car'.

I believe you are missing the point and it's probably the same reason why you don't have a CLASS CAR anymore! You were never a 'fast guy' and all ya wanted to do was hang out with ya buds and bracket race in the 'big time'. It's a shame that we lost you, but, did you ever consider that S/SS is a performance based class in the first place and you wouldn't have joined us when you did, knowing what you do now!

I was like you for a long time (20 years or so, with some class wins) and I have seen the light. I sat back and figured I was good for a while with what I had for a lot of years, but I had to spend some money in the right place and I did, now I'm competitive with the 'old school' (read carbs) fast guys for a change.

UNTIL YOU GO THRU THIS CYCLE, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE NEW CAR IMPACT !!!!!!!!!! It will show it's ugly head for years to come if something is not done soon !!! Remember there are some new models coming out.

The best line I've heard so far on this BIG issue is 'FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL'

I could go on, but that's it for now.

BTW, I got me truck back ya'll, in good shape as well!

[Michael Beard]

Uh, can someone explain WHY we have to "go through this cycle"? It was wrong then, then it was wrong again, then it was wrong again, it is wrong now, and it's going to be wrong again. Why not just make it right the first time? Or does everybody have to "get a turn"?

[Richard Grant]

The point that many posters seem to miss is why should we spend hundreds of dollars to attend a race in order to lose to a car we have no chance of beating. They seem to miss the point that just because the newer combos aren't winning every race that if we draw a heads up race we might as well pack our bags and head home because there is no way that we can run even close to the new cars. My combo has long been one of the slower combos in the classes that I could run however for about the same cost I could change to a faster combo. Now unless I can afford to spend $100,000 or there about I have no chance whatever of beating the DP's or Mustangs. I now plan to run IHRA next year. Many other racers don't have this option.
I also raced through time when the LT1's dominated. NHRA made a wise decision to place them in their own class before we got fed up and stopped racing. This is the only option that I see that will save stock racing now. As has been stated the factories can easily add new combos every year with unrealistic HP ratings. I see no end to our problems without placing the new combos in thier own class.

[MikeFicacci]

It's Wednesday and no horsepower has been given out but the records have been posted. Does this set the precedence that National Opens are free game to go as fast as you want? Whats the deal with this?

[Bob Pagano]

Hay Michael, Why is it ihra saw the need to separate these cars and the supercharged cars by keeping the FI classes, although some in the FI classes may still get run over. How many supercharged cars have run ihra besides Bill and his daughter? very few if at all. That tells me they dont like being separated and running off their own index. I guess IHRA has brighter minds that for saw a problem and at least tried to fix it. Dont say much for nhra.

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

It's Wednesday and no horsepower has been given out but the records have been posted. Does this set the precedence that National Opens are free game to go as fast as you want? Whats the deal with this?

Thats what I was wondering too.

Maybe NHRA should have three or four races a year just for setting records where you won't get Horsepower for all your hard work and money spent!

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Smitty

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My point is it's the same guys on here complaining about a system that benefitted them when GM brought out the LT-1. When the LT-1 cars were in the traditional classes originally they dominated. Then GM and NHRA worked a deal to put a engine that was niot offered in 98 in a new car. So, what is different about Ford and Chrysler building their cars? NHRA has accepted them and the system will catch up sooner or later.
There are a lot men on this site who have impressive resumes, I want discount that. But out of all of the complaining I see about the new cars I have yet to see one Stock or Super Stock national champion complain about the new cars. As a matter of fact one of the nation Super Stock champions owns a new Mustang but still campaigns his "real" stocker at the same events sometimes no less. Doesn't seem to bother him so why should it bother anyone else? I could understand alot of fuss if the fields were overcrowded with new cars but they aren't. Everyone likes to be the fastest, before the DP cars and Mustangs came on the scene I didn't see you guys looking out for the slower guys in the top classes; seems to me you guys were probably saying guys needed to work on their stuff.
With that said, are the older traditional stockers in the AA thru F classes at a disadvantage, yes. Are the new cars dominating event wins at the divisional and national level, no. So, the argument is the old cars can't the glory for winning class which doesn't pay anything? I understand. And just to be clear, no I don't own a class car anymore but I don't think you have own to voice an opinion. If some of you guys are going to stop racing because you can't win class then shame on you for quitting on something you love. The car I owned was by no way a top notch SS/IA car but I loved it and just wanted to be out there. My reasons for selling my car was money. If I could have afforded to go to a few races I would have been fine with running the index. For me I enjoy being around the guys and having a good time and running my car was a bonus. That's my two cents.

The '98 was no faster than the '97, '96, etc. It made no difference what year model they called them when racing a '98, versus an older one, now did it? Nothing like what is going on now. Btw, read a little more, MOPAR racers with older cars are not happy either. This is a completely different situation. The incrementals posted from the C/SA car Keith Lynch drove at Pomona are fairly in line with an average SS/IA car. Sound right to you?

Btw, the "problems" the DP cars are having setting those records certainly not due to them not being fast enough.