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[NewHemi]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Yes, I did actually hear him say that. I didn't mishear anything. I know what I heard. In fact, Keith actually said he was 55 pounds heavy for C. I will swear on my mother's grave that is what he said. Hell, I'll even take a lie detector test along with Keith to settle this.

Were you there during this conversation? Have Keith (spike1) come on here and deny that he said it.


-Toby

Toby,

I didn't mean to offend you. I was calling out a guy who makes anything he thinks he hears out to be the law.

As for what Keith did or didn't say, it really isn't all that significant. If he mispoke or you misheard, what difference does it make. Keith doesn't intentionally lie, and I don't take you to be untruthful either. But I do know exactly what my car weighs and I know how much we are light, or over weight for the classes we run. And what was said is just flat wrong.

But what the car weighs doesn't really matter and especially now that we are running eliminations, weight matters even less.

Once again Toby, whether you heard correctly and Keith accidentally mis-spoke, or he spoke correctly and with the car noises, or whatever... might have heard something else, it really doesn't mean a whole lot at this point.

But my previous comment wasn't intended to insult you or otherwise call you out.

David
The New Hemi Guy

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

Toby,

But what the car weighs doesn't really matter and especially now that we are running eliminations, weight matters even less.

How is that?

Don

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Dgal

How is that?

Don

If your 300 lbs heavy you don't have to sweat the scales.

[art leong]

I have to laugh when I think about people crying because a car is to heavy.
It just doesn't make logical sense.
What's next? A video installed in the car to make sure you don't short shift it.

[Toby Lang]

I just had a little talk with Keith and David. I asked Keith if he told me he was 55 pounds heavy for C. He said, "absolutely." He also confirmed everything else I posted about our conversation.

I asked David how hard is it to just ask Keith if he said these things to me or not, I mean you see him every day. He said he did and that's not the way he heard it. I seriously doubt he even asked him at all. I mean If he did ask him, I'm guessing the conversation went something like this:

David: Keith, did you tell Toby you were 55 pounds heavy for C?
Keith: Yes.

How do you "mishear" a simple yes or no question?

Like David said, it's not that big of a deal. I couldn't care less if they are 55 pounds heavy for C. I wouldn't care if they were 500 pounds heavy, but when someone basically calls me a liar it IS a big deal.

David, said he would come on here and post about it.


-Toby

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

I just had a little talk with Keith and David. I asked Keith if he told me he was 55 pounds heavy for C. He said, "absolutely." He also confirmed everything else I posted about our conversation.

I asked David how hard is it to just ask Keith if he said these things to me or not, I mean you see him every day. He said he did and that's not the way he heard it. I seriously doubt he even asked him at all. I mean If he did ask him, I'm guessing the conversation went something like this:

David: Keith, did you tell Toby you were 55 pounds heavy for C?
Keith: Yes.

How do you "mishear" a simple yes or no question?

Like David said, it's not that big of a deal. I couldn't care less if they are 55 pounds heavy for C. I wouldn't care if they were 500 pounds heavy, but when someone basically calls me a liar it IS a big deal.

David, said he would come on here and post about it.


-Toby

Toby -- Welcome to being a ClassRacer reporter - at least you got to "clear" your good name ...... the truth will always be the truth and its our job to write it and nothing else ( including our own personal feelings ) which is what you did - good job and well done .

[NewHemi]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

I just had a little talk with Keith and David. I asked Keith if he told me he was 55 pounds heavy for C. He said, "absolutely." He also confirmed everything else I posted about our conversation.

I asked David how hard is it to just ask Keith if he said these things to me or not, I mean you see him every day. He said he did and that's not the way he heard it. I seriously doubt he even asked him at all. I mean If he did ask him, I'm guessing the conversation went something like this:

David: Keith, did you tell Toby you were 55 pounds heavy for C?
Keith: Yes.

How do you "mishear" a simple yes or no question?

Like David said, it's not that big of a deal. I couldn't care less if they are 55 pounds heavy for C. I wouldn't care if they were 500 pounds heavy, but when someone basically calls me a liar it IS a big deal.

David, said he would come on here and post about it.


-Toby

I am doing exactly what I told Toby. I am here to post the truth.

But before I clear it up... I am a little disappointed that after telling me you were upset that my post appeared to call you a liar, which I never intended to do, and after I apologized face to face, you come on here and call me a liar. What's up with that?

You say that you doubt that I had even talked to Keith previously about the weight, questioning my integrity. I talk to Keith constantly about the car. Nothing about the car is a mystery to me. And I had previously asked him about whether or not he told you that we were 50 pounds heavy in C, and his answer to me then, as I recall it, was that we are not heavy now.

I interpreted that to mean that he did not say we were heavy... But at the time he apprently did say we were heavy, when we were heavy...So what Toby told to others and posted here, is exactly what Keith said.

Was Toby right previously? Yes. Was I wrong previously? Yes.

How much does the car weigh now? As much as weight sticker says.....

I hope that clears it all up, and that everyone is now happy, and we all go back to just being racers...

David
The New Hemi Guy

[Ed Wright]

Toby, thanks for the great pictures and reporting!!

[Rich Aceves]

There's only one way to take care of this Toby - David thing and that's for them to Duke it out lets say at the Winternationals after first rd. of qualifying in the staging lanes, What do ya say?
I got 10 bucks on Toby, Who's in?

[Ed Wright]

David's driver Keith is in fine form again today. Another great .017 light 3rd round!
Might win them another one today. Keith is making a lot of us old guys look bad.