Red light debate update.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Another LAME reply......seems to be the norm.... :-(

Care to counterpoint anything that I said? Or are you jus going to be LAME?

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Care to counterpoint anything that I said? Or are you jus going to be LAME?

You skirted around the SUBJECT at hand.
It's like the battered wife syndrome...."he always beat me so I thought that was the way it was supposed to be"............. :-)

[Mark Yacavone]

For those of you who seem to enjoy this "status quo" so much, need to remember,

1975-6 flat out racing, when the most underrated combo usually won.

1977, when you had to be dialed ON the index throughout the whole meet, or

1978, when you had to dial under, one hour before the start of eliminations and be stuck with it all day ??

The changes that ensued when the newer electronics were available, were all positive; wouldn't you agree ?

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

For those of you who seem to enjoy this "status quo" so much, need to remember,

1975-6 flat out racing, when the most underrated combo usually won.

1977, when you had to be dialed ON the index throughout the whole meet, or

1978, when you had to dial under, one hour before the start of eliminations and be stuck with it all day ??

The changes that ensued when the newer electronics were available, were all positive; wouldn't you agree ?

I agree Mark, which is why I sided with Bill last year when this debate was waged. Chad Rhodes brought up some credible points about us choosing are car/engine/performance combos, however if the worst redlight rule won't be considered (thus putting the same pressure on the second driver to leave the line as the first), then the worst breakout rule should be repealed...what's fair at one end of the track should be fair at the other!!!

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I agree Mark, which is why I sided with Bill last year when this debate was waged. Chad Rhodes brought up some credible points about us choosing are car/engine/performance combos, however if the worst redlight rule won't be considered (thus putting the same pressure on the second driver to leave the line as the first), then the worst breakout rule should be repealed...what's fair at one end of the track should be fair at the other!!!

I can envision a good close final...................ruined by two guys on the brakes so hard the both run into each other. That's an aweful idea

[wagonboy]

Chad, I have read your arguments and one seems contradictory. You said that class racing has bigger fish to fry and that it is important to get younger people involved. You mean younger racers who do not have a lot of money to spend on a race car ?.... that would probably have to build a slow car, and would have to go in knowing they have a disadvantage from the get go ? Seems you could entice younger racers with smaller budgets better, if they knew they would have a equal shot. That might boost intrest. I have no problem with the worst red light rule, equals things up.

Thanks

Ryan Smith 723R

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by wagonboy

Chad, I have read your arguments and one seems contradictory. You said that class racing has bigger fish to fry and that it is important to get younger people involved. You mean younger racers who do not have a lot of money to spend on a race car ?.... that would probably have to build a slow car, and would have to go in knowing they have a disadvantage from the get go ? Seems you could entice younger racers with smaller budgets better, if they knew they would have a equal shot. That might boost intrest. I have no problem with the worst red light rule, equals things up.

Thanks

Ryan Smith 723R

100% spot on.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I can envision a good close final...................ruined by two guys on the brakes so hard the both run into each other. That's an aweful idea

Let's not have them get on the brakes and bring out the first or worst double break out rule.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I can envision a good close final...................ruined by two guys on the brakes so hard the both run into each other. That's an aweful idea

I don't know that it's so awful, as long as your chassis/suspension/brakes are set up as many racers who hit the binders at the finish line are, so as to keep their vehicles under control no matter what...I remember a final from back in the late '70s to early '80s between I believe Jim Van Cleve, and Dave Boertman...both had Super Stockers that were at the fast end of Super Stock Eliminator, and both locked up their brakes so hard that they had a photo taken of them trailing tire smoke from their cars, and no wreck. Granted Glendora frowns on that now, but as long as you're not trailing smoke (or get squirley), then it's been acceptable because so many racers do it.

Bottom line, my ideal may be awful (sorry no "e" in awful), but neither is not having a worse redlight adjustment made to the tree, to give the same pressure to the faster car in a handicapped race for his rt., as the slower car. In a heads-up race, both cars have the same pressure, so why not change the tree for handicapped races too. As far as I'm concerned, if it's not changed, then I'd like to see wheelie bars ousted from rwd stockers if they won't be allowed on fwd stockers too....