Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? - Page 4

BlueOval Ralph · 10-14-2010, 10:30 AM

Hutchens, Kopp, Coonce, FJ, Fadely, Merc, Dave Lewis, Tim McDonald, Jerry Hiner, Scot Scharioff, Ray Allen and

Wes McCracken · 10-14-2010, 11:06 AM

Dave Strickler

Jerry Hatch · 10-14-2010, 11:14 AM

I sincerely believe Ronny Sox should occupy that position. Granted we have some great current day gear jammers, and I wouldn't take anything away from them. Something that should be considered in comparison is the equipment used. Sox, Landy, etc. had only factory cases with self modified internals (sliders/every other tooth ground off, modified shifting forks etc.) They had no Jerico or G-Force technoligy. Clutches back the were primitive by today's standards as well (3,200 + # pressure plates). How many of today's drivers could keep up without missing gears with that old stuff? Just askin and mean no disrespect.

Bob Pagano · 10-14-2010, 11:16 AM

You have to give the nod to the old guys, no comparison in the transmissions of today verses the old. Sox, Nicholson, McCandless, Leal and Jenkins.

X-TECH MAN · 10-14-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes McCracken

Dave Strickler

X 2 along with Sox. Two of the best who ever lived. Shifting todays modern trans is no comparison to the OEM trans of the old days.

G Schenck · 10-14-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Hatch

I sincerely believe Ronny Sox should occupy that position. Granted we have some great current day gear jammers, and I wouldn't take anything away from them. Something that should be considered in comparison is the equipment used. Sox, Landy, etc. had only factory cases with self modified internals (sliders/every other tooth ground off, modified shifting forks etc.) They had no Jerico or G-Force technoligy. Clutches back the were primitive by today's standards as well (3,200 + # pressure plates). How many of today's drivers could keep up without missing gears with that old stuff? Just askin and mean no disrespect.

Very well said.

John Duzac and Ben Wenzel could tell you the difference. I wouldn't go to a race without 3 fresh transmissions. Those three speeds were junk.

As far as pulling them, I would like to name Jake Fojt or Randy Heer.

Greg

chris3racing · 10-14-2010, 11:49 AM

Jerry you have "junior member" under your name, but you are exactly correct. I remember untold hours grinding slider gears, rings and welding shifter linkage ears to make those Muncies shift. Those days were before Dick Moroso started selling them at the tracks or the Borg Warners came out. Ever see the old in-car videos that are out that show Sox, Grumpy and Landy pushing and jerking those of 4-speeds.

Jared Jordan · 10-14-2010, 01:11 PM

I'm not as old as most of you guys, so I'm going to go with the two 4-speeds I remember best growing up at the track:

1. John Calvert - '68 'Stang

2. Allyn Lee - '68 Cuda SS/A

I still believe that Allyn would have been first in the 8's if he'd been able to travel more.

Mike Bassin · 10-14-2010, 01:29 PM

Ronnie Sox and very close second, Dave Strickler. A local Marylander that drove all kinds of cars til a stroke slowed him down is Tommy Howes. I got to send all these guys down the old 75-80 Dragway in the early / mid sixties and all three were terrific. Tommy Howes could also, build, tune and maintain and drive everything he ever raced. Of course all others mentioned are exceptional. These are the ones I got to see regularly.

Mike Bassin

Mike Taylor 3601 · 10-14-2010, 01:46 PM

Never got to see Ronnie Sox drive I think Mike Boyles would have to be high on the list as
one of the best 8 IHRA s/s championships and I think 3 classic gear jammers are hard to argue with his IHRA championships came when they earned by traveling and doing good all year long,he's still stick as far as I know.
Mike Taylor3601

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Jerry Hatch Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lubec, Maine Posts: 72 Likes: 7 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? I sincerely believe Ronny Sox should occupy that position. Granted we have some great current day gear jammers, and I wouldn't take anything away from them. Something that should be considered in comparison is the equipment used. Sox, Landy, etc. had only factory cases with self modified internals (sliders/every other tooth ground off, modified shifting forks etc.) They had no Jerico or G-Force technoligy. Clutches back the were primitive by today's standards as well (3,200 + # pressure plates). How many of today's drivers could keep up without missing gears with that old stuff? Just askin and mean no disrespect. __________________ In God I trust.

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Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 238 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? You have to give the nod to the old guys, no comparison in the transmissions of today verses the old. Sox, Nicholson, McCandless, Leal and Jenkins. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

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chris3racing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 528 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? Jerry you have "junior member" under your name, but you are exactly correct. I remember untold hours grinding slider gears, rings and welding shifter linkage ears to make those Muncies shift. Those days were before Dick Moroso started selling them at the tracks or the Borg Warners came out. Ever see the old in-car videos that are out that show Sox, Grumpy and Landy pushing and jerking those of 4-speeds.

10-14-2010, 01:11 PM	#38
Jared Jordan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 612 Likes: 196 Liked 532 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? I'm not as old as most of you guys, so I'm going to go with the two 4-speeds I remember best growing up at the track: 1. John Calvert - '68 'Stang 2. Allyn Lee - '68 Cuda SS/A I still believe that Allyn would have been first in the 8's if he'd been able to travel more. __________________ Jared Jordan 9 B/SA 2024 Jeg's D7 All Star - Stock

10-14-2010, 01:29 PM	#39
Mike Bassin Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: East Berlin PA Posts: 134 Likes: 0 Liked 120 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? Ronnie Sox and very close second, Dave Strickler. A local Marylander that drove all kinds of cars til a stroke slowed him down is Tommy Howes. I got to send all these guys down the old 75-80 Dragway in the early / mid sixties and all three were terrific. Tommy Howes could also, build, tune and maintain and drive everything he ever raced. Of course all others mentioned are exceptional. These are the ones I got to see regularly. Mike Bassin

10-14-2010, 01:46 PM	#40
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,369 Likes: 348 Liked 292 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time? Never got to see Ronnie Sox drive I think Mike Boyles would have to be high on the list as one of the best 8 IHRA s/s championships and I think 3 classic gear jammers are hard to argue with his IHRA championships came when they earned by traveling and doing good all year long,he's still stick as far as I know. Mike Taylor3601